Talk:List of role-playing video games

How obscure/well known should a game be in order to qualify for being listed here?

• There shouldn't be a limit. If it has been released for console it belongs in the list. (Djungelurban 14:47, 22 May 2006 (UTC))
• There's a fairly long list of console RPGs (as of 1999) here, and a similar list here although it needs to be checked for errors. (Buuneko 00:25, 29 May 2006 (UTC))

Alphabetical list

If somebody wants to convert this into an alphabetical list, is more than welcome, but please put it on List of console role-playing games rather than replacing this one. xDCDx 12:54, 21 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Stretching the definition

Some titles mentioned, such as Dragon Valor, really shouldn't be considered as RPG. Haoie 06:18, 8 April 2006 (UTC)

• Whether not a certain game is or isn't an RPG is something of an ambiguous definition. There are certainly games in this list that could be argued to belong to another genre, just like some people quite succesfully can argue that for example Zelda in fact is an RPG. Dragon Valor could very well be one such "grey zone" game and until there's a convincing argument why it should be removed I suggest that we keep it around. I myself don't even have an actual opinion yet since I've only played it for a couple of minutes.

Zelda

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• Yeah, I'm not sure either. So far I've chosen to not include Zelda and other Adventure RPG's like Landstalker since they traditionally are sorted into the adventure genre. But I'm not gonna touch it for the time being. If enough people should object to it though I think it should be deleted. I also just noticed that Dark Savior is in there aswell, that game should maybe also go I guess. There are other titles aswell that might be in doubt, like Dragon Valor that Haoie mentioned. (Djungelurban 14:46, 22 May 2006 (UTC))
• Okay, this is getting ridiculous. We've gone from debating whether to include Zelda, to arguing over which games in the Zelda series to include. Apparently Zelda 1, 3, and 5 are okay, but Zelda 2 is not. What about Link's Awakening, Majora's Mask, and Wind Waker? This kinda defeats the point of having a chronology of console role-playing games. --Buuneko 02:07, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

Well, I'm gonna go ahead and delete all adventure RPG's that I can find for the time being then. Thus eliminating the confusion. If someone feels that adventure RPG's belong in this list, then please state it here and they might be be reinserted given that good enough arguments are given. If all Zelda games are entered that will bring in some opinionated people and I just wanna have something to point towards and say "look here, isn't this a good enough reason". And the reason why Wind Waker and Link's awakening are included is because no one has entered them. I'm not telling you to do that but that's why they're missing. (Djungelurban 00:42, 23 July 2006 (UTC))

• I'm not a role-playing game guy, but as far as I know, you need to have the choice of a role to play. In the Zelda francise, you are always Link, and except in the second game you cannot control how you level up, except by getting items. Zelda 2 could be considered a hybrid RPG, and adventure game, listed in both categories or neither.--Ben414 15:58, 8 July 2006 (UTC)

Well, it's not that clean cut. For example, in most Japanese RPG's, you have no choice in the character you are since the game is so storybound. A lot of the time the influence that you have on the story itself is virtually nonexistant. You might sometimes get different ending depending on different actions but sometimes it's 100% scripted. Leveling has been a important part of RPG's for a long time, but it doesn't always work the same and it's not too hard to imagine an RPG without any leveling. This is why the concept of what an RPG is a bit hazy. I don't think anyone disputes that the Zelda games, and similar titles, has connections to both genres, the question is however whether they natively belong in the adventure genre or in the RPG genre. (Djungelurban 00:42, 23 July 2006 (UTC))

• If Zelda is excluded, then shouldn't its clones like Neutopia ('89 PCE) and its sequel also go? Personally I'm for adding Zelda to the list (and I'd like to note both lists mentioned at the top of this discussion include versions of it), but if you do exclude it then at the very least these games should be dropped.

Hanjuku Hero

I changed "Hanjuku Eiyuu" for "Hanjuku Hero", as the 英雄 kanji aren't read "eiyuu" (meaning hero) but actually like the English word "hero". There are small characters (furigana) over the kanji that hint you to read them this way, but these are lost in transliterations.

Check the page at amazon.co.jp for "半熟英雄(はんじゅくヒーロー)", the game title in kanji with the reading hints in brackets: http://www.amazon.co.jp/gp/product/B00014ATUG

American v. Japanese Games

I would create separate pages for games released only in Japan and those released in the US.

Fabula Nova Crystallis (XII/Versus XII/Agito XII)

I added (or modified) the entries for Versys and Agito, as they have been mentioned. (And for completeness sake.)

Where are the MSX games?

There seem to be a lot of early rpg's missing which i remember playing on the MSX/MSX2. Games like SD Snatcher or Hydlide 2. Some of these were even exclusive to the system.

Now i understand that the list is a CONSOLE rpg list, but i consider the msx as a console kind of home computer, especially because it was, together with PC Engine, so immensly important in the development of the genre. Furthermore, the msx had cartridge slots which were used to plug games into. Furthermore, there was a version of the msx released without a keyboard and with joypads included, so there is at least one console that plays MSX games.

The early development of the JRPG genre is fascinating and MSX is definitely a part of it. Please take a look into its history. A lot of typical japanese games started their lifes in that scene. Games like Xak, Ys, Dragon Quest and Hydlide, but also games like Metal Gear (first ever version!!) , Gradius, Vapire Killer were released on the system. Good retro stuff!!