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This is a bit basic isn't it for a defining war? I'll try and write more soon, but I'm busy with work and doing the Star Trek pages too :) --Timo 14:44, Mar 14, 2004 (UTC)

Picture?

the link to an image was recently removed because the image itself had been deleted. Not sure why this occured or if it is possible to find out what happened to the image?

I think this article does need a picture. Of course it is hard to illustrate the war itself, but covers of any of the games and/or the book History of Middle Earth book would be good if anyone has one. These images would be allowable under "liscencing: Covers: Board game cover or Book cover". Please upload and link if you have one (or two) - Waza 22:12, 22 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

The image was deleted because it had unknown copyright status, which is now a criteria for speedy deletion. See Wikipedia:Criteria for speedy deletion#Images.2FMedia. You can see the delete log at [1].

I hope you find the siege tower image I added to the conflict box suitable. This is the source, including disclaimers, fair use information, etc: [2] Grimhelm 15:36, 14 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Conflict Box

I consolidated Gandalf the Grey and Gandalf the White as commanders into just Gandalf, as not only do the two links refer to the same person (though at different levels of power and authority), but they also redirect to the same article, which seems rather pointless and redundant to me. Grimhelm 15:36, 14 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

By all means. That was just me going :P . --Kizor 14:28, 16 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

One advantage of not consolidating them would be the little cross thingy (to indicate that the commander died during the war). Gandalf the Grey died; Gandalf the White did not. If we are going to leave them consolidated we have to find a better way of noting that because its inaccurate to give him the same cross-thingy as everyone else.savidan^{(talk) (e@)} 20:58, 4 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Infobox is wrong

Apparently because of the limitations of the infobox, Saruman as a third party is not listed! Could someone fix it? 202.163.247.203 23:04, 30 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Saruman was officially allied with Mordor. While he was certainly doing so for his own purposes and was far from 'loyal' to Sauron it does not seem unreasonable to include him with the other opponents of the 'Free peoples' rather than as a third party. --CBDunkerson 23:23, 30 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

What about Eomer?

Why is Eomer not listed among the comanders? He became King of the Mark during the Battle of the Pelennor Fields, and led the men of the Mark in the assault on the Black Gate. He must be listed as a commander.

I believe one per army is enough... Else we should list both Dain's and Brand's sons, Imrahil, Gothmog and The Mouth of Sauron. I believe that would be too much. Bryan 13:22, 13 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Casualties

Why are there casualties listed for the armies of Good if they are unknown, and why are the strengths of the armies recorded if they are unknown? Either an estimate needs to be found somewhere in a primary source, or the listings need to be as unknown.

I don't get it

I've read Tolkien's foreword to the second edition, and there's one paragraph that i don't get. If anyone out there could clear this up, it would be great: "The real war does not resemble the legendary war in its process or its conclusion. if it had inspired or directed the development of the legend, then certainly the Ring would have been seized and used against Sauron; he would not have been annihilated but enslaved, and Barad-dur would not have been destroyed but occupied. Saruman, failing to get possession of the Ring, would in the confusion and treacheries of the time have found in Mordor the missing links in his own researches into Ring-lore, and before long he would have made a Great Ring of his own with which to challenge the self-styled Ruler of Middle-earth. In that conflict both sides would have held hobbits in hatred and contempt; they would not long have survived even as slaves."