Talk:Angry Video Game Nerd

Attention

Please, do NOT move (rename) the article. Every time the page is moved, all the redirects are broken. Please, instead, work on the content and citations. Thank you. -DevinCook (talk) 06:25, 30 November 2007 (UTC) (just one of the contributors)

The creators message

Oh My God! I started this article as a little stub, and it got HUUUUUUUUUUGE!!!!!!!!

THANKS EVERYBODY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!(im still thinking OMFG)

Yeah, wow boy.

Name of the article

I hope at least someone else noticed that the title of the article needs to be corrected. It should say "The Angry Video Game Nerd." However, during an attempted move, it said that the title "The Angry Video Game Nerd" was a protected page. There must be some way this can be corrected. Andy120290 (talk) 03:47, 17 November 2007 (UTC)

I also tried it earlier, but to no avail. Currently, "Angry Video Game Nerd" redirects to the ScrewAttack page. It might take a while to change the capitalization on the page. In the meantime, we can work on the page's content. --DevinCook (talk) 03:57, 17 November 2007 (UTC)

I just fixed it.. but now the Game and Nerd are closed together.. I can't fix it because it's protected.

Technically, it is still not correct. Andy120290 (talk) 04:45, 17 November 2007 (UTC)

Should it be The Angry Video Game Nerd or James Rolfe? I think the proper way is to put is real name instead of his stage name.Nocarsgo (talk) 16:56, 17 November 2007 (UTC)

I just moved the page to "The Angry Video Game Nerd (Show)". The parenthesis are a common notation used on Wikipedia. Sorry, I must have moved the article when you were making this comment. We should move it to simply "The Angry Video Game Nerd" when that name is unlocked. --DevinCook (talk) 17:01, 17 November 2007 (UTC)

Should it be "(series)", not "(show)"? I mean, if Wikipedia's somewhat formal but not too formal, and being consistent with TV show articles with the "(TV series)" suffix, it should be "series". --Addict 2006 15:59, 18 November 2007 (UTC)

I think "show" is the better of the two terms. Series usually have a ongoing plot or subplot. For instance, Heroes is a series. Each episode of AVGN tends to be independent of the last. That's just my two cents. :) --DevinCook (talk) 16:04, 18 November 2007 (UTC)

I just checked the redirect page for "Angry Video Game Nerd". It contains a redirect to the ScrewAttack page and is locked for administrator access only. Only an admin can edit it - or delete it - which takes much longer.--DevinCook (talk) 16:18, 18 November 2007 (UTC)

If you talk to one of the administrators, they'll have this article deleted so fast, you won't believe how much deliberate misinformation they'll tell in order to get this article to be toast. "No new developments since July 2006!" "He's not featured on an Alexa Top 1,000,000 site!" "He only has one video with 20,000 views! Big deal!" I shit you not, admins stated lies like this as recent as APRIL and got away with it every single time. 75.65.91.142 (talk) 23:39, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

The admins already fixed the redirect - twice now. Once when the article was moved to "The Angry Video Game Nerd (Show)" and then again when it moved to "The Angry Video Game Nerd (show)" (lowercase 's'). We do need to do some work on the article - citing sources and adding information about different interviews, articles (outside Wiki), etc... - DevinCook (talk) 23:50, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

Save a backup of this article on your user subpage. All it takes is one admin with a chip on his/her shoulder, and this article is toast. If Starblind, Sam Blanning, JzG, or Coredesat so much as catch a WHIFF that James Rolfe has a standalone article, they will immediately push forward a joint effort to have this article removed within a matter of hours. It's been done at least four times in the past [1] [2] [3] [4], and I have no confidence that they will review the established notability and verifiability. Discussions after February, what little there was, were nothing more than

Veteran A: "Delete, stir, and simmer with noodles (word for word quote from an admin. I kid you not.) No new developments since July 2006. 20,000 views on a video does not make you notable."

Person B: "Strong Keep He's featured on Gametrailers, a top 400 alexa site, been featured more than once on the Opie & Anthony Show, even garnering almost half an hour in one show, has been advertised on MTV, and has actually shot a few commercials for them as well. 20,000 views? He gets 10 times that much on the first day of a new video release! *includes sources for all information in post*"

Veteran A: "Comment to closing admin Oh yeah, well, you only have 2 edits on wikipedia, so I'm discrediting you and saying you have a conflict of interest. So what if you have facts? You like him. Conflict of interest."

Four admin brigade: "Strong Delete No new developments, he isn't notable, stop being disruptive."

Person C: "Keep I really think notability has been established with the recent O&A and GameTrailers deal. I also don't see how giving actual facts should be ignored because the user has only a few edits."

Veteran D: "Comment So what? You're a sockpuppet with only 8 edits. Please don't have a conflict of interest and use sockpuppetry. By the way, I hate the AVGN and think he's not funny. kthx"

Closing mod: "Speedily deleted after 3 hours of discussion! No new developments. Resistance is futile!" (A closing admin said that last sentence. No joke.)

There are a few administrators out there that CAN look at things objectively (rather than 100% subjectively, which has destroyed this article every single time), and hopefully they'll get the CHANCE to look at the evidence, rather than sneaking this through an AFD in 6 hours, just outright deleting it, or using other deceitful tactics in order to severely limit discussion. Seeing that James' exposure has grown immensely since February, I severely doubt enough people will be allowed the opportunity to present facts already present in the article that establish the 'notability' they allegedly seek.

BE READY. Make sure you watch this article, and if this is brought up for AFD discussion, make sure the best contributors here are ready to combat the misinformation with facts and sources that clearly establish notability and verifiability. They have had organized efforts to remove this article, and we need to be organized with all facts and sources readily available. Good luck, you may catch them on a day where objective administrators are going to look at the facts presented and say, "Whoa whoa whoa, HOW is this non-notable again? It's pretty damn clear that a lot has been done since 17 months ago!"

I really can't post anymore after this message. The last time I tried to get this article saved, I was crapped all over on by both sides. It's too stressful to deal with all the BS that comes from this any further due to this, but hopefully there's at least several of you that can put in almost minimal time and effort to make this article delete-proof. Reference everything you can get your hands on. Find any and every third-party source that's covered him, from the New York Times all the way to that European gaming magazine that had several pages dedicated to him to the student newspaper at LSU. For god's sake, talk to James Rolfe, I'm sure he has references to everyone that's ever featured him in print or online.

My post is unorganized and obviously shows my bias against SEVERAL admins, since I've seen so, so much corruption, deceit, and condescension that it's enough to turn anyone off from this site altogether, so you know why I'd be useless in the discussion to have this article remain intact. Hopefully there's some people here that can get past the tl;dr or 'WHO CARES' mentality and put together rock-solid arguments to completely catch them off guard. If the best we have to offer is some 192.136.86.5 IP saying, "Keep, because AVGN is funny," like in past discussions, then this article is going to get immediately deleted again and heavily protected. Then they could go after the ScrewAttack article. Then they could even go after the GameTrailers article. After it was announced ScrewAttack partnered with GT, somoene immediately started the process of trying to get GT removed from wikipedia, but thankfully the user failed to followup on it. Best of luck to those that are actually going to try. Don't let them toy with us any more.

Back to being gone, where I belong. 216.37.86.10 (talk) 18:37, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

But the correct name should be 'The Angry Video Game Nerd' since it's about the character too. Just talk to admins to allow the move.--Svetovid (talk) 01:02, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

Lyrics

Should the lyrics be on the page? Personally, the theme song is a major part of the show's identity and attitude. However, we should talk about whether they should be on the page. Also, we should also make sure that the article gives credit to both James Rolfe and Kyle Justin for the words.--DevinCook (talk) 16:13, 18 November 2007 (UTC)

Sorry, made a error while editing the theme song. I was removing the full version - since, while funny, is a tad long for a wiki article. The edited page didn't work correctly, so I had to reedit it. I didn't attempt the infamous "sneaky edit". My mistake was a total s-load of f! :) --DevinCook (talk) 03:26, 24 November 2007 (UTC)

Wish List

What should be added this this page? Please add your Wish List items here. --DevinCook (talk) 16:13, 18 November 2007 (UTC)

I'm wondering about the video list. Perhaps the one where he is confused about movie titles should be added. He does in fact appear as Angry Video Game Nerd there, and since the list doesn't only include game reviews I feel like it is incomplete without it. /BlankTH —Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.25.249.55 (talk) 00:40, 22 November 2007 (UTC)

"Chronologically Confused" is currently on the list - although, at times, it is removed by a well-intentioned user. It is currently listed using its full (comically verbose) name. It is just called "Chronologically Confused" by Rolfe himself and on his official site. We might consider shortening the listed title to shorter version.--DevinCook (talk) 06:37, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

Before I go ahead and do so, maybe add a section of videos he has done as James Rolf. He's reviewed some movies on his youtube account as himself rather than as the AVGN, such as Spider-Man 3, Transformers Movie (1986), Transformers (2007), Simpsons Movie. 71.115.192.199 (talk) 07:31, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

I think the article is best served if is concentrates on the Angry Video Game Nerd as a show/series rather than James Rolfe himself. Mike Matei and Kyle Justin are also major parts of the show. An article on Rolfe would make an great separate article, but we should work on the current one for now. It's still very new. That's just my 2 cents --DevinCook (talk) 07:41, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

Would a Behind The Scenes section be appropriate? Basically info that details on how some of the effects are done. So far some sources are his posts from Screwattack.Com and his commentary for Friday The 13th and Nightmare On Elm Street. Antiyonder (talk) 05:52, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

Definitely, those sections are highly desired for films, shows and games. It should be called "Production", though. --Teggles 02:21, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

Where are some missing episodes?

I have talked to James himself on MSN, and his movie reviews of TMNT (film), The Transformers: The Movie, the new 2007 Transformers (film), Live Free or Die Hard or Die Hard 4.0 for those europeans, and Spider-Man 3 to him are considered episodes. So, why not ad them to the episode list?

I do not believe they are directly related to the Angry Video Game Nerd. Andy120290 (talk) 03:55, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

The TMNT 3 movie review seems to be the only one that directly relates to the AVGN character. The rest are just reviews from James Rolfe, the regular filmmaker guy. 75.65.91.142 (talk) 23:35, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

Game Console Names

There is some debate on whether the American names of the Sega systems should be used or the international names. Most of the English-speaking World is outside the United States - India, Britain, Australia and nearly half of Europe. I suggest that we used both names with a slash. For instance, rather than just "Sega Genesis", we use "Sega Genesis/Mega Drive". It would be helpful for our foreign friends - who also enjoy the show. I would love to hear everyone's comments on the issue. --DevinCook (talk) 04:00, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

I would just use American names. The show is based in the US and as such, Rolfe has all American versions of the consoles. Andy120290 (talk) 07:35, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

There are a ton of fans in Europe and beyond. The show is truly international. There was a video posted a while back where the AVGN was brought up during an interview in Denmark (I think).Do you think, perhaps, the following notation would be okay: "Sega Genesis" -> "Sega Genesis (Mega Drive)"? The space used in the article is pretty minimal. -DevinCook (talk) 07:51, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

Andy, that's not how Wikipedia works. It tries to serve its visitors when it comes to names, style and such.--Svetovid (talk) 01:05, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

Deletion Template

I'm not sure if it's the correct template, but I added the deletion template to finalize that this is over.

I removed the template. Sorry. I read up on it and it appears to be reserved for admin discussions, not editors.

As far the recent "delete this" user is concerned, everyone should know that it is probably a sock puppet for the previous one. Both IPs resolve to the same general location. Also, when the user undid one of my edits of this talk page, they made a rather juvenile modification to my username. This demonstrates some degree of pre-existing malice.- DevinCook 08:53, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

It's most definitely sock puppets. It'll be a huge mistake if he uses sockpuppets in the AFD discussion. 75.65.91.142 15:34, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

Hi I think this article should be deleted (sorry i dunno how to sign)