User talk:Cherso

Grazie

Ma sono pessimista, sono da solo a combattere un'orda di fanatici. --Giovanni Giove 23:37, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

Confuso

Sono confuso poichè non capisco il motivo per il quale bloccano Giovanni Giove ma non il provocatore ultranazionalista croato DIREKTOR che è stato diffidato dal modificare una serie di articoli ma continua a inserire i suoi assurdi punti di vista in tali voci come Istrian exodus. Puoi segnalare il recidivo DIREKTOR a un amministratore? Puoi rispondermi qui sotto. Ciao, LEO 17 nov 2007

Sinceramente credo che bisogna segnalare Kubura invece di Direktor. Questo Kubura non fa altro che attaccare e disprezzare e ridicolizzare chi non la pensa come lui sulla Croazia. In fondo Direktor ha qualcosa di italiano nel suo passato, mentre questo Kubura é completamente un fanatico croato. Attacca finanche i Serbi nazionalisticamente (un certo Paxequilibrium lo ha fatto anche esaminare da wiki checkuser per possibili collegamenti con sockpuppet l'anno scorso). Quello che e' certo e che tutto il problema intorno agli articoli sulla Dalmazia e' cominciato col suo continuo "punzecchiare" (chi non e' nazionalista croato come lui) e richiamare admins a punire Giovanni Giove ed altri. Basta rileggere la history dei suoi edit per capire come agisce da alcuni anni. Il meno che fa e' dare dell' ignorante a chi nega i suoi POV, basati spesso su testi titini.--Cherso (talk) 22:08, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

Opportunity to answer

'Cherso', I'm not an unreasonable person. Now it's up to you to persuade me, despite overwhelming time-line evidence to the contrary, as well as your identical 'Greater Italy' interests, that you and Giovanni are not one and the same. I'm ready to hear it. I'm afraid that IP evidence doesn't suffice, though, as I can go to my local market tomorrow and buy an IP disguiser. So, over to you, my friend. AlasdairGreen27 (talk) 23:22, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

Italians in Corfu

Giovanni/Cherso, where are your numbers showing that there was an Italian community in Corfu? Show some stats evidencing them as a group, please.AlasdairGreen27 (talk) 23:59, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

Expressions

Cherso (or whoever you are), be careful with your expressions.
As I've seen here [1] (this is obviously your edit), you've used words: "Giovanni Giove -continuously harrassed for months/years by Kubura".
What's this, Cherso? Point to others, so that others won't point to you?
"Harrassing" is a heavy word. Lie and false accusations is a heavy thing on wikipedia. It's Giovanni Giove who permanently threatened to his opponents "you'll be reported to admins", "you're a vandal", whenever they made edits he didn't liked. That's harassment.
Blaming a user (for things he hasn't done) is not a "doesn't matter thing". The blamer cannot falsely blame and just get away with it. That's considered as disruptive behaviour (telling lies to admins, etiquetting of users).
If you're Giove, stop playing. Live a life.
If you aren't Giove, than please, read the conversations I (and other users) had with Giove, on his talkpage and on other talkpages.
See also Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration/Dalmatia/Evidence.
I'm not the first Croat that encountered Giove's temper and persistent ignorance.
After a year of propagandism on Wikipedia, it was logical that Giove would collect enemies.
Do you know what Giove said on it.wiki? This [2]. If you expect that after that, that any Croat that saw (and sees) that message 'd stay calm, you're wrong.
Further. Why are you afraid to tell the toponym in Croatian? In English, it's Cres. Live with that. Times of Mussolini have gone. Kubura (talk) 13:41, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

Kubura (or one of your sockpuppets), you are a Croatian nationalist who believes even in Wikipedia can be done the crazy Balkan wars! Only ridiculous Croats can go down to "Stamp" level and see Italian irredentism menaces on simple stamps!! Your lies are astonishing: you started the attack on Giove in the Italian wiki, successively you wrote to many admins against him until you got him irritated with your group and finally you got him "banned". Now is it my turn? What else in the future....? Tito times are gone, open your fanatical eyes: Croatia is going to be part of the European Union, even if you don't like it! And within the European Union all the opinions (and even our Italian opinions) will be democratically taken in consideration (in one way or another) by the "European Croats" in the future. Be sure of this, even if you don't like it. From today I am no more going to deal with you and your group of fanatics. But I will monitor what you and your group do with the dalmatian related articles and notify (with precise references about your changes) the authorities & the serious admins of Wikipedia.--Cherso (talk) 00:01, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

Tito

Cherso, you wrote "Cultural Imperialism? Wow, what a "skyscraping terminology"....you learn quickly the typical Tito/Stalin phrases in Ljubiana, don't you? Cherso"

Well, let me tell you how proud it makes me that you compare me to Tito.

Let me explain some things to you about this part of the world. It's not a game, nor a joke, not fun. This part of the world has, for various reasons, been the scene of intense ethnic hatred and rivalry for hundreds of years. And then Tito came along, and suddenly it didn't matter anymore whether you were Serb or Slovene, Croat or Montenegrin... They all intermarried, had families, got on with life, had the same hopes, fears and expectations as anyone else in Europe. Just for once it didn't matter anymore. And now, I live in what you call 'Ljubiana', with friends who have parents from Croatia, Bosnia, Serbia, Macedonia and so on. This is the legacy of Tito. So you can compare me to Tito all day long and I will be very proud.
And I'll tell you about the other legacy of this region, the darker side, the reason why there are what you call "gangs" of people who watch what you do on English Wiki and are nervous.
Look at what Mussolini's thugs did in Yugoslavia. Have a good look at the Italian uniforms here: [3]. Seen enough?
I am an Englishman who has lived here for many years. I love this region, as you do, but the difference is that I love it as it is. You love it as a dream, because your father took you away when you were just a baby.
Let me tell you some things from my personal experience, which is just a tiny fraction of what the people of this region really suffered.
My wife's family had a farm on Haloze. They fed the Partisans and treated their wounded. One day the Germans caught a Partisan patrol, and tortured the young boys in it until they told them where they were helped. So the Germans came to this farm and shot the males and sent the females to Ravensbruck. Where they all died.
My best friend's grandparents and other family members died at Jasenovac.
Can you understand why people here are a little p**sed when you complain that your family lost their property at the end of the war?
The reason I am writing this is to ask you to please understand that your 'Greater Italy' edits, and GG's, and Brunodam's, are both historically wrong and deeply hurtful. That's why Wiki editors have spontaneously gathered, without any co-ordination, to make sure that there is no pro-Italian POV in any of the articles related to areas that were once under the Italian empire. If I were you, I would stop trying to say that the eastern side of the Adriatic is an Italian domain, as it just isn't true, historically, and it annoys people who have really suffered at the hands of your countrymen. And you can pass this message on to your good friend Brunodam. AlasdairGreen27 (talk) 00:56, 15 December 2007 (UTC)

AlasdairGreen27, from your above message I understand that you are not an "english BOY living in Ljubiana"......You remember me more and more Kubura and his sockpuppets! From today I will no more deal with you, but I will monitor what you (and your Croat/Slovenian group) will do to the Dalmatian related articles and notify the authorities (not only the admins) of Wikipedia.--Cherso (talk) 00:01, 17 December 2007 (UTC)