Talk:Little Orme

What's the source for this "Elephant Rock" business? I don't live in Llandudno but I know it well as I live in the area and went to secondary school there, but I must say I've never heard of the name. I asked a few friends if they'd heard of "Elephant Rock" and they hadn't a clue what or where it was either. I've reworded it slightly as "known locally as" implies it is well known by that name, which it certainly is not. Any further information please? If it's just an "in phrase" used by a few people I'm not sure it warrants inclusion, especially right at the start of the article; it certainly gives the reader with no knowledge of Llandudno the impression that that's what everyone local calls it, which is definitely not true. Enaidmawr (talk) 00:11, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

I do agree with you, I have never heard it called that nor in fact have I heard the Great Orme called a crocodile. But there is a reference. In Chapter 1 ( page 7) of his book of photos "Llandudno Past and Present" (IBSN 0750929030), Jim Roberts, referring to origins of word "Orme" says: "Nowadays, the promenader looking out to sea is more likely to think that the Great Orme on his left is a crocodile basking on a rock, and the Little Orme to his right is an elephant half immersed in the sea." This, as written, could well be Mr Roberts personal view and I do not consider it alone to be encyclopedic. I will leave the matter to others to decide. NoelWalley (talk) 08:50, 20 December 2007 (UTC)