Talk:Claremont Institute

Criticism

The criticisms listed in the page all seem to come from people associated with the von Mises Institute, so I've moved them together and named the heading to indicate the source. -Willmcw July 2, 2005 19:42 (UTC)

McCarthy is Von Mises institute, Copold is not. Lumping them together and removing Copold gives the strong appearance of an attempt to remove and minimize content so as to diminish its presence in the article for political POV reasons. Please see WP:NPOV. Rangerdude 2 July 2005 20:23 (UTC)

I reinstated Copold, and moved him to "other criticism." Who is he anyway and why are we reporting his criticism? I labelled him a blogger, because that's where he posted his criticism, but I don't know anything about him. Do you? Cheers, -Willmcw July 2, 2005 20:29 (UTC)

He looks like an opinion writer and/or political satirist to me. 2001 predates the blogging age. Rangerdude

The "Houston Review" is a defunct blog. Barring any other information about Copold, he's simply a blogger. I don't see how his opinion is worth including, unless we're simply looking for all possible sources of criticism. But, if you know more, please include it. Cheers, -Willmcw July 2, 2005 20:55 (UTC)

Google brings up tons of blogging entries and comments from a Derek Copold. No sign of any credentials. He's not even a well-known blogger. -Willmcw July 2, 2005 20:58 (UTC)

I see no source of any kind where the Houston Review ever identifies itself as a blog, nor do I see any site where Derek Copold identified himself as a blogger in 2001 when that article was published. Thus the claim is unsourced. When I google the name I see a mixture of political editorials, response posts he's apparently made to various blog entries, and published articles. Given this, the most neutral and all encompassing description of him would probably be "political writer" or something along those lines. Rangerdude 3 July 2005 03:11 (UTC)

If he's not a blogger he's a nobody and doesn't belong in a citation. Do we just report anything that anyone says on the internet? Regarding other edits, we both know that the Mises Institute has been called "neo-confederate". that fact is relevant to the discussion of views of Lincoln. -Willmcw July 3, 2005 04:03 (UTC)

You are, as usual, in error. One does not have to be a "blogger" to be cited here. Political writers are more than sufficient. For purposes of this source, he is a published writer and that is all he needs to be. His inclusion is pertinent as it is among the non LVM sources that have made similar criticisms of Claremont - a fact that you were trying to hide for POV reasons by changing the title of the criticisms section and deleting Copold to conform to that title. As to neo-confederate, it's an attack allegation that's been made by sources that are controversial in their own right and one that is included for pejorative reasons. As a descriptive term, it lacks consensus in common usage and among the accused persons. Including it is therefore inescapably POV, and once again I suggest you abstain from pushing it as you have been. WP:NPOV. Rangerdude 3 July 2005 04:30 (UTC)