Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2008 January 6

6 January 2008

Christopher Gutierrez

Christopher Gutierrez (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (restore|cache|AfD)

For the second time in two days the article on Christopher Gutierrez which I created has been deleted. After the first time it was deleted I contacted the maintainer responsible for deeting it to enquire as to the reason for it's deletion, and whilst I had no response the article was deleted a second time. I fail to see a reason for this deletion. Christopher Gutierrez is both an author, and a performer, the article was informative and had more information and references than is evident on many other authors pages, and the fact is if other authors are allowed Wikipedia pages without any debate whatsoever, why is this particular author not allowed a page? He has three published books, one published Spoken Word CD, has completed three 13 date speaking tours of America, and a five date speaking tour of the UK and starting from the 11th January will be the opening act to the Chicago band 2*Sweet on their Winter Tour. He has toured the entirity of Warped Tour as the myspace featured artist, and on top of that used to be in a band which does itself have a wikipedia page. This particular author has achieved far more than many people on this site who have articles about themselves, and I really do fail to see why time and time again the page about him is deleted.MirfainLasui (talk) 14:52, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

• Comment: Latest two deletions in log have been per CSD G4, relevant deletion discussion appears to be at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Christopher Gutierrez (2nd nomination). —Ilmari Karonen (talk) 15:02, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
• Comment three self-published books. Can;t judge the rest of this. DGG (talk) 15:12, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
• Comment I thought the whole point of wikipedia was to give knowledge to people who seek it. Many a time I have been asked by people why they can't find him on wikipedia, he is worthy of one. Just because he's self-published shouldn't make a difference, if he's causing an impact in todays teenage culture then he is notable. Not many people can get fanbase of 16-24 year olds - a fanbase which are used to going to rock concerts, stage diving and making noise - to actually buy books, read and get room of a 100 of them to stay silent for three hours. Also " A copy, by any title, of a page deleted via a deletion discussion, provided the copy is substantially identical to the deleted version" which is untrue and therefore shouldn't have been deleted because of CSD G4, we've been adding more information and more sources, "credible" references such as interviews and even a review from Chicago Reader. Musical overdose (talk) 15:27, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

Barbara Schwarz

Barbara Schwarz (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (restore|cache|AfD)

I'm not involved in the ugly debate, nor do I want to be. I know absolutely nothing about the subject, but I know the article cannot stand the way it is. It exists, but the only thing on it is a protection notice. Something has to be done about that. protected delete, Redirect, or even create I don't know. Just something. Editorofthewiki (talk) 01:42, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

• Redirect to Barbara Schwartz (artist) and keep protected. It's a reasonable typo for a legitimate article and eliminates the need for the ZOMG DRAMA! template. IronGargoyle (talk) 02:39, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
• Comment It appears to me that Avraham meant simply to protect the page against recreation; the page, then, may be deleted straightaway (consistent with the [IMHO patently wrong-headed] DRV of two weeks ago) and the title may then be transcluded on this month's protected titles list. Iron's suggestion is, of course, quite reasonable, and we might do well to adopt it; I mean only to note that which was apparently intended here. Joe 02:52, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
  • Actually, we should redirect the artist's page there. No need to have additional disambig. We would have to protect that page but we could update it infrequently, by an addition onto Talk:Barbara Schwarz (which needs to be unprotected first). Editorofthewiki (talk) 04:12, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
    • Don't forget the "t". If the artist's page should be moved anywhere, it'd be to Barbara Schwartz. —Ilmari Karonen (talk) 15:18, 6 January 2008 (UTC)