Talk:Mouth ulcer

Todo List

• Palliative treatment requires reorganising.
• seems to be alot of unsubstantiated claims.

-Bouncingmolar 10:42, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

Palliative treatment is gone, for all the reasons previously explained.Dr-G - Illigetimi non carborundum est. 18:33, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

Factual Inaccuracies

For some of the same reasons listed in the topic below, the information on this page is disputed as being factually incorrect. Specifcally, some of the information presented on this page directly contradicts information in the aphthous ulcer wiki page, and some of the citations do not contain evidence to prove claims made in this article (see citation 2 on the mouth ulcer page). Since a "mouth ulcer" is in fact an apthous ulcer, and the wiki page for apthous ulcer is much more concise and accurate, I recommend that the mouth ulcer page simply redirect to apthous ulcer.

I disagree. Mouth ulcer is an incomplete article. Apthous ulcer is a (fairly) complete article. Not all mouth ulcers are apthous (despite the etymology of the word) and therefore we either split all the different types into separate articles or merge all under one heading of mouth ulcer. That would be one long piece. For instance, the ulcer resultant from the degeneration of bullae in vesiculobullous diseases is different from RA ulcers clinically and histologically, but both are ulcers because they breach the integrity of the mucosa. Dr-G - Illigetimi nil carborundum est. 17:32, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, I've been thinking about the articles recently, and I think it would be a good idea to clarify the distinction between the two. Though, I have to say that I think the Aphthous ulcer article has way too much info about unverified home remedies. - Dozenist talk 21:29, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

Maybe you could suggest an appropriate format for the citations to prove claims made in this article. Also I think that apthous ulcer is a variant of the umbrella term mouth ulcer. (Bouncingmolar 10:19, 13 February 2007 (UTC))

The page for Mouth ulcer has moved

• The original content of the mouth ulcer page has been relocated to aphthous ulcer as the content of the page was predominantly about canker sores/ aphthous ulcers and not about mouth ulcers in general.
  • the new mouth ulcer page in this location is a heavily modified version of the original(still found at aphthous ulcer). This page now contains more information about mouth ulcers of a variety of other causes and paints a more general overview of mouth ulcers opposed to the original which focussed on apthous ulcers alone.
• The original talk page for mouth ulcer is now also located as the talk page for aphthous ulcer as of 18 july 2006
• Recurrent aphthous stomatitis has been merged with the aphthous ulcer page(the original 'mouth ulcer' page) as requested. (see the requests on the aphthous ulcer talk page)

(Bouncingmolar 16:04, 18 July 2006 (UTC))

Canker sore redicrects to this page (Mouth ulcer). Canker sore should redirect to apthous ulcer. However, I agree the apthous ulcer should be mrged with this article. ~ UBeR 18:19, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

Change for the better or the worse?

• There have been some fairly heavy modification (with a lot of time spent, although this is not a factor if the information is incorrect) of this page including some injection of new information about ulcer types including references from oral pathology texts. The original content is mirrored on aphthous ulcer
• It has been suggested to me by one user so far that maybe this page should be reverted until a consensus has been reached, and the aphthous ulcer removed. Do other people feel that this is the case? Clearly I think that the mouth ulcer page is an improvement because it now describes mouth ulcers as a whole. Furthermore I think that aphthous ulcers are merely a sub category of Mouth Ulcers, along with many other ulcer causing vectors. Are there other opinions? if so maybe i was a little bit hasty, please comment.(Bouncingmolar 07:37, 19 July 2006 (UTC))
• My addition on electric toothbrushes being a prevention has been quickly excised by a certain Dr G. Now whilst I might agree that there is no statistically significant studies on this, members of my family have suffered from mouth ulcers all our lives. Switching to an electric toothbrush was the most significant prevention that we have all come across. My dentist recommended it. And while a sample of 5 with 100% success rate is not a statistically significant double blind study - it is very useful information to have for the sufferer out there. And the logic is obvious. Use a manual toothbrush and accidently hit it hard into the gum. Three days later there will be a painful ulcer (for those of us who get them). Use an electric toothbrush and you don't ever hit it into the gum - hence less ulcers. So I can accept that maybe my wording could be changed but I think it is a very useful piece of information for the sufferer out there who will come to this page for solutions. The other brilliant thing is Kenalog in Orabase which my doctor recommended. Those two things now prevent me suffering from mouth ulcers any more.

To be honest with you, it may be true that you find the frequency of ulceration decreasing over time when you use an electric toothbrush, but that is not due in any part to differences between the electric toothbrush and the manual toothbrush, but differences in how you use them. This website is not an advice page, it is an information page. I will be editing the entire palliative care section to remove any uncited claims or treatments. Palliative care is not treatment. It is what is used when there is no effective treatment, ie in order to reduce symptoms experienced by the patient. So effective treatments do not belong in this section. Because this is not an advice website (no website should be in my opinion, medical or dental advice should be obtained from a trained diagnostician), treatments that are anecdotally successful do not belong here. The idea that trauma triggers aphthous ulceration is sound, but your suggestion does not belong in the palliative care section, but the treatment section (possibly under preventive heading). There may be studies to back this up. Dr-G - Illigetimi non carborundum est. 00:37, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

dear doctor wikipedia

i've had little 'ulcers' or whatever in the past and they always look like the one i just got. a friend says to blame stress. here's a pic, i'll release it GFDL or whatever if you're interested (i do have a much larger version but this is just cropped, so you're not losing any detail of the actual sore): http://ibulk.net/ulcer.jpg --TIB (talk) 00:40, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

Please keep in mind that if you want real medical advice, you need to see a doctor. Most doctors will be hesitant to try to diagnose anything over the internet. - Dozenist talk 01:54, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

Interesting

I've always known of these as mouth blisters, as well as the rest of my family. I wonder where that name started. SadanYagci 21:31, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

I can see how some ulcers get mistaken. If a gland get blocked it'll swell up like a blister and often, if these swellings are popped, they'll turn into ulcers. Abigsmurf 00:31, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

Quantity of mouthwash to use?

From Prevention:

Quantities around 1ml are more than sufficient.

1ml seems a ridiculously small amount of mouthwash to use, I find it hard to believe it would have any effect. A quick google shows people using 20ml -> 100ml. Where did the 1ml figure come from? Could someone remove this if there's nothing to back it up? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.41.41.148 (talk) 18:27, 15 December 2007 (UTC)

Bonjela

Edited the bit about gels in the treatment section:

"Some people benefit from using the over-the-counter topical gel Bonjela, which contains choline salicylate -- choline salicylate is a local analgesic that helps to reduce the pain and inflammation associated with oral ulcers."

read too much like an advert to me, so I edited it to include the possibilities of other gels that might not contain the same substances.