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== Possible page merger ==

Noticed you have been editing [[Economy of South America]]. I made a suggestion at [[Talk:Economy_of_North_America#Possible Merger]], please add your comments there so as to keep the debate in one place. Cheers. [[User:Grunners|Grunners]] 01:21, 17 Dec 2004 (UTC)
==Images==
Thanks for uploading [[:Image:Virgiliobarco.jpg]]. [[User:BrokenSegue/ImageProblem/Archive|I]] notice it currently doesn't have an [[Wikipedia:Image copyright tags|image copyright tag]]. Could you add one to let us know its copyright status? (You can use {{[[Template:gfdl|gfdl]]}} if you release it under the [[GFDL]], or {{[[Template:fairuse|fairuse]]}} if you claim [[Wikipedia:Fair use|fair use]], etc.) If you don't know what any of this means, just let me know where you got the images (on my [[User talk:BrokenSegue|talk page]]) and I'll tag them for you. Thanks so much, [[User:BrokenSegue|'''B'''roken'''S'''egue]] 03:08, 24 Feb 2005 (UTC)
:To tag an image as public domain add the text <nowiki>{{PD}}</nowiki> onto the image description page. I will do this for you but I'd feel better if i knew at least what domain or general website you got the image from. Not all works of governments are released to the public (such as the [[Crown copyright]]). [[User:BrokenSegue|'''B'''roken'''S'''egue]] 22:27, 26 Feb 2005 (UTC)
::P.S. when you leave notes on people's talk pages sign it by adding <nowiki>I~~~~</nowiki> tot he end of your messagte. Thanks, and happy editing.

==Image source==
''Discussion moved to [[Image talk:Andres pastrana.jpg#Copyright]].''

== Los Andes University ==

There are several Los Andes universities in Colombia, therefore it must be specified the article talks about Los Andes University in Bogotá.

:How do you know that? I live here, and I've heard of only one Universidad de Los Andes.

Leave it alone.

:You leave it alone.

[[User:KapilTagore|Kapil]]

:--[[User:Fibonacci|Fibonacci]] 00:55, 20 Apr 2005 (UTC)

== Universidad de los Andes ==

I '''study''' at the Universidad de los Andes,

:Me too.

you moronic cuntsucker.

:Oh, how kind of you!

Leave it the fuck alone.

:Why the aggressive tone?

There's Universidad de los Andes everywhere.

:Yes, there's one in [[Chile]] to. But [[Chile]] is not in [[Colombia]].

[[User:KapilTagore|Kapil]]

:--[[User:Fibonacci|Fibonacci]] 01:07, 20 Apr 2005 (UTC)

== Universidad de los andes ==

You're right, there's only one in [[Colombia]].

:Told ya! ;)

I thought there was one in [[Cali]] but I was mistaken.

:Why did you think so?

Please accept my apologies, especially for calling you a [[cunt]]sucker.

:Apologies accepted. In the future, please remember to [[Wikipedia:Staying cool when the editing gets hot|stay cool]] and [[Wikipedia:No personal attacks|don't mount personal attacks]].

:Where do you study, by the way? In the same Uniandes I do?

[[User:KapilTagore|Kapil]]

:--[[User:Fibonacci|Fibonacci]] 01:18, 20 Apr 2005 (UTC)

::La mismísima Universidad de los Andes en Bogotá. Pensé que había una en Cali porque hay en México, Venezuela y Chile, y creo que más en Latinoamerica, entonces pensé que también habría más en Colombia, por eso la moví en primer lugar. Qué pena de nuevo por los insultos. [[User:KapilTagore|Kapil]]

:::¿En Méjico? Esa no me la sabía... en cuanto a las otras de Colombia, pues a mí me pareció que si hubiera otras que se llamaran igual en el país, debían ser de la misma gente (compare con la Nacho). A diferencia de [http://www.unal.edu.co la página de la Nacho], [http://www.uniandes.edu.co la página de Los Andes] no menciona otras sedes en el país. El argumento definitivo es [http://www.google.com/search?q=%22Universidad+de+Los+Andes%22 una búsqueda en Google].
:::Uy jueputa, encontré a otro wikipedista en Colombia... si le parece, encontrémonos un día de éstos en Los Andes.

:::Y no se preocupe más por los insultos. --[[User:Fibonacci|Fibonacci]] 01:43, 20 Apr 2005 (UTC)

::::Cuando quiera, venga y búsqueme en el semisótano del departamento de matemáticas (edificio H), por la mañana. Pregunte por Fibonacci, que en todo caso todo el mundo da razón de mí. --[[User:Fibonacci|Fibonacci]] 17:31, 26 Apr 2005 (UTC)

== Changes at South America ==

I have reverted your edits at South America to reflect the current consensus among English speaking geographers. In the vast majority of schools in the English speaking world South America and North America (including Central America) are presented as seperate continients. I realize that in the Hispanidad this is not the case, and the article could certainly be improved by adding the view that America is a single continent. However redefining the status of South America as a continient, by replacing one view with another, is inappropriate until geographers reclassify it. Create a section in the article even point it out in the introduction, that other parts of America disagree with the definition, but please don't delete the view that South America is a continent again. -[[User:JCarriker|JCarriker]] 02:39, Apr 22, 2005 (UTC)

==Your obsecene language and apologising==
Apologise for your unacceptable foul language. Everything you do here is recorded, and your attacking me through obscenities will not be tolerated. --[[User:SqueakBox|SqueakBox]] 16:39, May 5, 2005 (UTC)
:Please remeber [[wikiquette]] and [[wikilove]], abusive language has no place at wikipedia. Wikipedia can be frustrating at times but [[Wikipedia: No personal attacks|personal attacks]] are never appropriate. I'll look at Castro's page can you provide me with a link or a refrence to the Forbes ref. In the mean time please consider apologizing to Squeak Box, who knows he may even work with you. -[[User:JCarriker|JCarriker]] 16:58, May 5, 2005 (UTC)

I did noty revert your edit. Look [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Fidel_Castro&diff=next&oldid=13211210 here]. So please immediately apologise for your false accusations and foul language. Before making wild and untrue claims in the future, please make the effort to check who exactly is reverting your edits. Also withdraw your completely untrue comment about me being a Castro supporter, which I find offensive. Just calm down and stop attacking people. This is a collaborative project, not an excuse to let off steam at the expense of others, --[[User:SqueakBox|SqueakBox]] 17:45, May 5, 2005 (UTC)

It was Tony Sidaways who reverted you. I strongly suggest you don't attack him, --[[User:SqueakBox|SqueakBox]] 17:58, May 5, 2005 (UTC)

TDC's sentence didn't make sense, as I explained in the summary. I didn't remove it on the basis of what it said. It's the Castro acolyte I fretted about, plus cunt is an offensive word when used in the way you were using it, --[[User:SqueakBox|SqueakBox]] 01:30, May 6, 2005 (UTC)

Hello, I noticed this recent edit summary of yours:
[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Cuba&diff=13412015&oldid=13362918]: ''I've seen the page, no reason to remove it, even if you're a commie like Comandante'', As I am sure you are aware, the contributors to Wikipedia are a highly heterogenous group, ranging on the political spectrum from arch-conservatives to revolutionary radicals. Puerile name-calling serves no purpose at all, and will only make things difficult for you here. If you disagree with someone, you will only succeed with careful argumentation and by [[Wikipedia:Cite your sources|citing your sources]]. -- [[User:Viajero|Viajero]] 19:31, 12 May 2005 (UTC)

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== 3 Revert rule ==

Hi,
please note the [[WP:3RR|Three revert rule]]. You have already reverted [[Fidel Castro]] four times in the last 24 hours, and you will probably be banned if you do so again. [[User:Markalexander100|Mark]][[User talk:Markalexander100|<sup>1</sup>]] 02:57, 16 May 2005 (UTC)

You have been blocked and the page protected, hopefully you can make some constructing input on the talk page when the block expires--[[User:Petaholmes|nixie]] 03:20, 16 May 2005 (UTC)

== RfC ==

I have opened a Request for Comment on you: [[Wikipedia:Requests for comment/KapilTagore]]. You can respond here: [[Wikipedia:Requests_for_comment/KapilTagore#Response]]. -- [[User:Viajero|Viajero]] 00:20, 17 May 2005 (UTC)

Yes, do discuss your reasons. try to come to a compromise with these people, and do it civilly. that is the only way you can resolve this dispute, especially with an Rfc on you, --[[User:SqueakBox|SqueakBox]] 01:30, May 19, 2005 (UTC)

I urge you to take your rfc seriously, and to respond to it [[Wikipedia:Requests_for_comment/KapilTagore#Response|here]]. If you feel the problem is other users you have a space there to say that. The arbcom can ban you from editing at wikipedia on a long term basis, which I don't believe is what you want. Your attempt to begin negotiating on the talk page at Fidel was realy good evidence that you are trying to change your ways. We all have to conform to Wikipedia if we want to keep working here, and an end right now to any insults or attempting to get a reaction from your opponents is by far your best bet to not only continue editing here but also to try and get your way. Those with power here act impeccably and put the Rfc's on others who are not doing so-let your rivals act badly while acting as impeccably as possible is the only way to go if you want your edits here to stay, and the only way to avoid being blocked or banned from editing at all, --[[User:SqueakBox|SqueakBox]] 23:21, May 19, 2005 (UTC)

These Rfc's take ages. Your only option is to ignore any baiting. Just don't let them get to you. If you can ignore it will go in your favour, and will look so much better. I am sorry I have no better suggestions, will try to find out what happens next, [[User:SqueakBox|SqueakBox]] 00:54, May 21, 2005 (UTC)

== What´s wrong with SqueakBox ==

He is erasing all the contribution evidence based of people. Talk with him. Keit

There is nothing wrong with SqueakBox. If you really are interested take a look at [[Nicaragua]], --[[User:SqueakBox|SqueakBox]] 01:01, May 21, 2005 (UTC)


==take a look==
Closing RFCs

* A RFC should be closed when a stable consensus has been reached; as a rule of thumb, if there are no serious objections for a full week
* A RFC should be delisted from here (and listed in the archive section) when closed.
* A RFC on a person should be speedily delisted if it is not endorsed by two separate people within 48 hours.
* If you believe an RFC serves no further point or will only repeat itself, please add in a 'motion to close' and wait a couple of days to see if people agree. If sufficient people do, the RFC should be closed.

I just reverted KEITH's personal attack against me on your page, and would appreciate it if you would leaave it deleted, [[User:SqueakBox|SqueakBox]] 01:07, May 21, 2005 (UTC)

==Fidel==
When Comandante and Grace Note lazily rv to a version with 2 identical photos that is evidence of their bad faith editing. let them do the bad edits and before we know ity perhaps it will be them under an Rfc. If you feel frustrated at someone check their contribs etc, but keep a smiling face as much as possible. it may seem a bit hypocritical, but it is the way things are-así la cosa, etc, [[User:SqueakBox|SqueakBox]] 01:29, May 21, 2005 (UTC)

''The neutrality of the article was agreed upon in the discussion, if you have any objections discuss them before reverting the version we reached by consensus. Also, you're approaching your third revert. Lastly, any references to us as "rightwing trolls" or "rightwing povistas" don't help your case. [[User:KapilTagore|Kapil]] 01:47, 21 May 2005 (UTC)''. I assume this wasn't meant for me. Be careful about where you put what. That is where you and I started, [[User:SqueakBox|SqueakBox]] 03:15, May 21, 2005 (UTC)

Sorry, got mixed up, the comment was meant at you, though I thought you were Grace Note. Though, you are confused, the original comment (''The neutrality of the article was agreed upon in the discussion, if you have any objections discuss them before reverting the version we reached by consensus. Also, you're approaching your third revert. Lastly, any references to us as "rightwing trolls" or "rightwing povistas" don't help your case. [[User:KapilTagore|Kapil]] 01:47, 21 May 2005 (UTC)'') was meant for Grace Note. [[User:KapilTagore|Kapil]] 06:09, 21 May 2005 (UTC)

What are you talking about? I never called you a right wing troll. this is a [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:KapilTagore&curid=1235996&diff=0&oldid=0 diff]. Show me the diff where I alled you a right wing troll or I will add your incorrect accusation to the Rfc as evidence that you are mouthing rubbish at whoever, and don't appear have a clear idea of what is going on. It was your false accusations toward me that began your problem with me, and it appears you have not changed. Nor do I understand the second part of your sentence. can you please clarify what you are on about? [[User:SqueakBox|SqueakBox]] 04:14, May 21, 2005 (UTC)

==Colder climes and other bits==
I like your Russian flags. As you reverted someone else to my version at Fidel before accusing me of calling you a right wing troll, and then supported my top nationalist photo on the Fidel talk page that you were getting me confused with someone else. Which is exactly where we started, [[User:SqueakBox|SqueakBox]] 04:47, May 21, 2005 (UTC)

I think you misunderstood, I was accusing [[User:Grace Note|Grace Note]] of that, you've been most helpful and I really appreciate it. [[User:KapilTagore|Kapil]] 06:00, 21 May 2005 (UTC)

I hear you. I was accused and felt attacked, and by all sides. Thanks for the clarification. I certainly don't think you are the devil. Mis respetos, [[User:SqueakBox|SqueakBox]] 15:14, May 21, 2005 (UTC)

==Reunión==

Vea, me llegó esta vaina a mi página de usuario en la Wikipedia española, de pronto le interesa:

:hola, he visto que te has categorizado como wikipedista colombiano. Bueno, te cuento que habrá el próximo sábado un miniencuentro de wikipedistas colombianos. Entre ellos van estar [[:es:Usuario:Julianortega|Usuario:Julianortega]] y [[:es:Usuario:Oscarín Aino|Usuario:Oscarín Aino]], la cita será en la Bibliloteca Virgilio barco. Si estás interesado, puedes comunicarte con oscarín o conmigo o con julianortega. --† [[:es:Usuario:Escalda|<font color="#C25C07">Escalda</font>]] [http://es.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Usuario_Discusi%C3%B3n:Escalda&action=edit&section=new †] 23:41 28 may, 2005 (CEST)

Cuente a ver qué opina... --[[User:Fibonacci|Fibonacci]] 17:28, 31 May 2005 (UTC)

:Quihubo, no creo que el Sábado esté en Bogotá, en todo caso le hago saber esta semana. [[User:KapilTagore|Kapil]] 17:46, 31 May 2005 (UTC)

::Recuerde, no es conmigo sino con [[User:Escalda|Escalda]] (me '''acabo''' de enterar de que tenía página en la Wiki inglesa también), que es el que la está organizando. Suéter pues. --[[User:Fibonacci|Fibonacci]] 00:20, 1 Jun 2005 (UTC)

== ok, vale ==

e irás a la reunión? --[[User:Escalda|Escalda]] 21:13, 31 May 2005 (UTC)


:
==Oscarín Aino's Answer==

Hello, me comunico contigo desde Colombia aunque no tengo cuenta de wikipedia english pero si en la española, donde aun estoy por ahí. Mandame tu respuesta por el correo ''dibujoypensamiento@gmail.com''
Te hago aclarar que aun estoy por debajo del nivel elemental en english y por tanto hasta que no domine esa lengua, poco podría hacer aquí. ATTE: [http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usuario:Oscarín_Aino Oscarín_Aino] Saludos.

==Uniandino==

Ala, Tagore, si quiere lístese [[Wikipedia:Wikipedians by alma mater|acá]] como uniandino.

Por otro lado, vi que le abrieron rfc, y que nuestra pelea de Abril fue listada ahí como argumento en su contra. No es sino que me diga en dónde, y si quiere voy a certificar que esa pelea ya terminó, y en buenos términos (el juego de palabras no es intencional). --[[User:Fibonacci|Fibonacci]] 05:13, 6 Jun 2005 (UTC)

==Hola==
Take a look [[Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/172 2/Evidence|here]], [[User:SqueakBox|SqueakBox]] 23:20, Jun 13, 2005 (UTC)

==3RR==
Hi Kapil, you're coming close to violating 3RR at [[Fidel Castro]], and may in fact have done so. I haven't checked the diffs carefully, but this is just to warn you that if you revert more than three times in 24 hours, you'll likely to be blocked from editing. Also please note that partial, complex reverts count as reverts. Cheers, [[User:SlimVirgin|SlimVirgin]] <sup><font color="Purple">[[User_talk:SlimVirgin|(talk)]]</font></sup> 05:46, Jun 15, 2005 (UTC)

:Thanks for your note. I don't see the situation being bad enough to lock yet, though you can also ask at [[Wikipedia:Requests for protection]], as another admin may agree with you. Regarding your edits, the way to make them stick is to supply a reputable source, and link to it after the sentence. As for deletions you make, if you think the material is wrong, request a source; if no one will supply a source, then you're entitled to delete, but do ask for a source first: don't just revert blindly. If you stick very closely to [[Wikipedia:No original research]], [[Wikipedia:Neutral point of view]], and [[Wikipedia:Cite sources]], and request that all other editors do the same, it should go a long way to settling your differences. [[User:SlimVirgin|SlimVirgin]] <sup><font color="Purple">[[User_talk:SlimVirgin|(talk)]]</font></sup> 06:00, Jun 15, 2005 (UTC)

::I don't know what the issues are, so I can't say, but in general, you should use the NPOV tag if you believe the article is biased, and if you can list the ways in which it's biased, and can suggest actionable remedies. The tag shouldn't be placed on a page as a weapon, or to signal general dissent. The key is that the remedy must be actionable within our policies, particularly the three I cited above. Finding good sources for your edits is your best bet, and if people still revert, then you have a genuine complaint. [[User:SlimVirgin|SlimVirgin]] <sup><font color="Purple">[[User_talk:SlimVirgin|(talk)]]</font></sup> 06:24, Jun 15, 2005 (UTC)

===Your comments to me===
<code>Please refrain from editing Wikipedia if you are unable to control your temper, KapilTagore. "Everyone hates you" is an unaccpetable personal attack. If you feel 172 violated policy, please submitt a user conduct RFC, otherwise I expect you to act professionally. El_C 06:23, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)

:<code>This encyclopedia, anyone can edit. I don't buy your bullshit about being a historian or whatever simply because you shun every shred of evidence presented anytime about [[Hugo Chávez]] and Fidel Castro, universal truths which you just so happen to ignore. That, and you don't have the decency to either check people's editions and delete some points (as in my edition, it wasn't all bad) nor to change everything but the pictures reached by consensus (therefore pissing on everyone else's contributions and the consensus reached). If you want to be a "scholar" prove it in the talk pages and show proof in order to reach a consensus, as we did before you came and spoiled it all. But your attitude is hardly that of a "scholar", I'd be surprised if you were anything more than a teenage anarchist who happens to use the word '''"reactionary".''' If you carefully read the [[Hugo Chávez]] page you have to agree it's filled with left-wing bias and half-truths (unless you consider Juventud Rebelde, ABN, Argenpress and Indymedia to somehow be "reliable", much less "objective" sources). This goes for both of you, but especially you, 172 [...] Kapil 07:15, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC) <small>[copied from T:FC]<small>

Bold is my emphasis! I didn't realize the above was directed towards me, but it really goes beyond the scope of that talk page. Some corrections are in order, as you have obviously mistaking me for somebody else (I don't believe I've ever had the pleasure until yestarday).

# I have never edited, let alone read, the [[Hugo Chávez]] article. Nor am I particularly interested in doing so.
# I am no longer in my teens, though I wish I was! Nor am I an anarchist.
# As I said above, I don't recall seeing or interacting with you before yesterday.

I am not sure what you mean about the attitude, nor what you expect (insist on?) that be proven, or how. I only asked you to adhere to [[WP:NPA|policy]], what's the big deal? Once you do that, then discussion can possibly move forward, but not before. Certainly not while you continue to swear at and insult other editors. I can't be expected to have to communicate with you if you're going to be hostile and vicious like that. That's not fair, what makes your voice more important than anyone else for you to break the [[WP:NPA|insult policy]]. You don't even know who I am, you have'nt read anything I've written (try for ex. [[The Destruction of the European Jews]], the [[Central African Federation]], or the article I authored during this weekend on [[A'man]], and others) you tell me my contributions are unwanted. That's totally insulting. I haven't even gotten a chance to say anything about anything. That's it, that's ''my'' rant; I also get one, even if you delete this (likely), it is still recorded in the history. And in the case you read this closely (and without feeling that you are coming under attack), perhaps there's still hope. [[User:El C|El_C]] 07:43, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)

:There <u>is</u> hope. Thank you for all your recent help with the article, and a great professional attitude! [[User:El C|El_C]] 23:52, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)

==Wikipedia==
A cordial reminder, Kapil, of some Wikipedia policies.

# '''[[Wikipedia:Assume good faith|Assume good faith]]''' on the part of other contributors. Wikipedia works on the principle that by discussion and use of sources we can persuade one another in reasoned debate, and/or find compromises to illustrate competing points of view.
# More generally, '''Respect other contributors.''' Wikipedia contributors come from many different countries and cultures, and have widely different views. Treating others with respect is key to collaborating effectively in building an encyclopedia. For some guidelines, see [[Wikipedia:Wikiquette|Wikipedia etiquette]], [[Wikipedia:Writers rules of engagement]], [[Wikipedia:Civility]], [[Wikipedia:Dispute resolution|Dispute resolution]].
# [[Wikipedia:No original research|No original research]] - points (comments, facts, etc) which are not widely accepted need to be sourced (and if necessary the source described appropriately so that readers can judge its credibility).
# '''[[Wikipedia:Assume good faith|Assume good faith]]''' once again where you believe articles are unbalanced; and remember that editors currently active on the page may be responsible for only part (or none) of it. You need to present evidence, or coherent persuasive argument, on imbalance. If such evidence is presented and rejected, then after a time you can go to [[Wikipedia:Dispute resolution|Dispute resolution]]. Either way, don't get angry. Light a candle, don't curse the damned darkness!

Happy editing. [[User:Rd232|Rd232]] 08:15, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)

== Personal attacks ==

Kapil, you ''are'' a rightwing troll. You've changed tack from simply abusing anyone who disagrees with you to supplying dodgy sources that don't quite say what you've suggested, but your game's still pretty much the same: pushing a POV that you know is entirely unacceptable. I am very much enjoying your pretence at discussion. Long quotation from sources and yelling that your correspondents will be banned if they don't take them seriously aren't quite "discussion" but I suppose it beats your calling people "cunts". [[User:Grace Note|Grace Note]] 07:20, 16 Jun 2005 (UTC)

I'm sorry, Kapil. It's horrid of me to call you a rightwing troll. I'll stick to calling you a cunt in future, since you feel that that is a more reasonable epithet to use. [[User:Grace Note|Grace Note]] 07:25, 16 Jun 2005 (UTC)
:That's a disgusting thing to say, and quite out of line. - [[User:Ta bu shi da yu|Ta bu shi da yu]] 07:09, 17 Jun 2005 (UTC)
:Why compound the tension, Grace Note? [[User:El C|El_C]] 07:32, 16 Jun 2005 (UTC)

===Thanks for your note===

Hey, thanks for your note. That's alright, I'm glad we can get along, though I still disagree with you about the content. And about Grace Note: if you want to see some carelss Axes flying between him and myself, check out my exchange with him two days ago [[Talk:Zionist_terrorism#Same_old.2C_same_old|this]]. Oh, and I just noticed that he responded there with a snide about strong liquor [[Talk:Zionist_terrorism#Pride_and_lack_thereof|here]]. I'll attend to that as soon as I finish writing this. <font size="+2">***</font> Anyway, what I think you're missing, and I do believe has been verified and cited is two things: '''a.''' A Communist party, by its own ideology, wishes to repress political opposition. If they are genuine, to advance the what communists call dictatorship of the proletariat until it wins what communists call the dictatorship of bourgosie (this could be liberal-democracy, or fascism, or whatever, monacrhies &ndash; so long as those are capitalist or non-socialist systems). Now, if the communist party is a corrupted one, like the Colombian Communist Party/FARC, the North Korean Workers Party, etc. (and increasingly the Cuban one, too), it still wants to represses political opposition, it just gives lip service to all those other things while they turn their Great Leader into a religion or sell narcotics respectively, etc. But, Kapil, the point 172 is trying to advance is that all of this is mentioned in the article called Communist State. Have you read it? I haven't read it, I don't think I'll like it. But do you see the point? Readers that don't know what it is can click on it to get (dis)information, while those that do are not going to encounter something redundant (because they already know Communist parties repress political opposition &mdash;whether they agree with it or not). '''b.''' I already brought you a source from the [[World Health Organization]] that stated the expansion in literacy was "remarkable," so I'm having difficulties to see why you still object. I realize you're speaking of regional trends (I disagree with some of your analysis vecause you're comparing Cuba to relatively developed countries in Latin America: Argentina, Chile, etc.), but changes happen within a country (esp. if it's an island geographically) and these are themsleves notable. If you can find me a WHO link that says advances in literacy in Panama (or Senegal, Bangladesh, wherever) were "remarkable," then those articles can reflect that. Also, I have proven to you, using the WHO figures, that infant mortality dicreased by ten times, from 60/1000 in 1959 (still lower than Haiti's 73/1000 today), to 6. I account for the data you use to qualify that, but still, I don't think it changes any of this as ''dramatically'' as you imply. I'm sure, if it would, WHO would account for it. It's not as if WHO is a friend of Cuba and enemy of the U.S. (think about how much the U.S. funds the WHO versus Cuba!). <font size="+2">***</font> So anyway, that's where I'm coming from. I hope it makes sense. Finally, back to Grace Note, you are each allowed [[WP:3RR|three reverts]] per 24 hours which I believe you have just violated, which calls for a 24 hour block from editing. But I'm going to discourage anyone from reporting you at [[WP:AN3]], because I don't think that would be productive at the moment. But please stop reverting for 24 hrs. Combined, Grace Note and 172 have six reverts against your three, and I'm pretty sure you used at least four of yours already. Looking forward to your thoughts. My apologies for the length of this. Thanks for reading. Yours, [[User:El C|El_C]] 07:32, 16 Jun 2005 (UTC)

== Personal attacks by Grace Note ==

I am most interested in hearing about this. Can you provide me with a diff? - [[User:Ta bu shi da yu|Ta bu shi da yu]] 02:29, 17 Jun 2005 (UTC)
:Thank you. Not very nice of Grace Note, that's for sure. - [[User:Ta bu shi da yu|Ta bu shi da yu]] 07:08, 17 Jun 2005 (UTC)

==[[Fidel Castro]]==
although i think you're unnecessarily harsh sometimes (which can hurt our side's case) you've done, in general, a good job on this article. other articles like [[Efraín Ríos Montt]] should also be looked at. 172 has no problem listing the bloody details of maniacal dictators, provided they're maniacal dictators not actively opposed by the U.S. [[User:Trey Stone|J. Parker Stone]] 23:54, 17 Jun 2005 (UTC)

== "lazy reverts" ==

Hi Kapil,

You've used the phrase "lazy reverts" twice on [[Talk:Hugo Chávez]], and said that you were irked by them. I understand how it can be frustrating to see lots of editing work undone in a snap. But reverting and discussing is the best way of dealing with controversial topics We often hash out small edits for days.

I suggest you do more of what you've been doing lately: pick out phrases you find biased, explain why you find them biased, and suggest alternatives. Give people a chance to see your discussion before going ahead with a lot of edits to the main page. You might find that some of your edits are accepted universally and some people will object to. Some of them, people might object to less when you give your explanation. (For example, I liked how you explained that you weren't opposed to mentioning Ortega's relationship to Carmona, you just thought the placement was biased.)

I really appreciate the work you're doing on [[Hugo Chávez]], even though I disagree with some of it. I hope that we can work together in a calm way. For example, it was probably me who earlier reverted the bit about the economics. If you read through the talk page, you'll see that there was a very long discussion about the subject, where I indicated that I would like to see a discussion regarding the economics that included a generally Chavista viewpoint that the economics was driven by the opposition work stoppages as well as the generally anti-Chavez viewpoint that Chavez has mismanaged the economy. But it's hard for me to work together with you on this if you call me (or whomever, I don't remember who reverted) an "orangutan", or just assume that I reverted without a reason, when the reason is described above. You gave an apology and I accept it. Now, let's work on improving the article. :)

Peace,

[[User:DanKeshet|DanKeshet]] 02:47, Jun 19, 2005 (UTC)

:Also, you might want to check out the state of the Chavez article as recently as [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Hugo_Ch%E1vez&oldid=10885060 March 6], just 3.5 months ago. I hope you find the new version more NPOV! [[User:DanKeshet|DanKeshet]] 03:54, Jun 19, 2005 (UTC)

==Otra reunión==

Vea lo que se está planeando:

:Estimado Wikipedista:

:Esta invitado a la pequeña reunión de wikipedistas residentes de [[Bogotá]], que se realizará el día sábado 25 de junio a las 13:00 Horas (1:00 PM Colombia) en la Sala de Estudios (buscar la Primera Mesa) de la Biblioteca Pública Virgilio Barco (Av. Carrera 48 No. 61 – 50, al lado del Centro Religioso de la Policía y el Parque Simón Bolívar).

:El Objetivo de la reunión será primeramente, darnos a conocer cara a cara como wikipedistas, su tiempo, experiencia y evaluación como tales, para así programar y objetivizar las siguientes reuniones. También se podrá conversar distintos temas afines a la Wikipedia y de otras temáticas.

:Se sugiere venir temprano de esa hora para evitar inconvenientes y si por alguna razón no pueda venir a la reunión dejar mensaje en el correo: <dibujoypensamiento@gmail.com> antes del día 23 del mismo mes.

:No siendo mas que invitarlo, cordialmente estoy a la orden por la pagina de usuario de Wikipedia o en el messenger <osqaris1983@hotmail.com> de 15:00 a 19:00 Horas (3:00 a 7:00 PM Chat) .

:Atentamente: --[[:es:Usuario:Oscarín Aino|Oscarín]] 18:21 17 jun, 2005 (CEST)

¿Le interesa? --[[User:Fibonacci|Fibonacci]] 05:55, 19 Jun 2005 (UTC)

:Quihubo Fibonacci. Yo creo que el próximo Sábado tal vez podría estar disponible para ir a la reunión, me toca confirmarle esta semana. Sería como interesante ver al resto de los Wikipedistas. [[User:KapilTagore|Kapil]] 06:07, 19 Jun 2005 (UTC)

::Lo mismo, hombre. Ojalá pueda ir, la reunión anterior fue un fracaso rotundo; sólo fuimos Oscarín y yo. Y a ver si finalmente conozco al otro uniandino... --[[User:Fibonacci|Fibonacci]] 06:47, 19 Jun 2005 (UTC)

== Castro ==

Please read [[m:The Wrong Version]]. I reverted to the version which should have been protected, but wasn't, because I forgot to actually protect the page. [[User:Mackensen|Mackensen]] [[User_talk:Mackensen|(talk)]] 28 June 2005 21:33 (UTC)

No, I acted to right my previous mistake. In any case, there's no right version and I really don't care which version has to be protected. After it was accidentally left unprotected a revert war ensued. Clearly there isn't consensus. I suggest you focus your efforts on the talk page. [[User:Mackensen|Mackensen]] [[User_talk:Mackensen|(talk)]] 28 June 2005 23:15 (UTC)

== "Cunt" ==

My apologies for the delay in replying, Kapil. [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:SqueakBox&diff=13270241&oldid=13254129 Here] is an example of your calling someone a "cunt". It's a bit disingenuous to whine to well-meaning admins about namecalling when you dish it out. Looks a lot like gameplaying, don't you think? Not the sort of thing someone who is actually trying to build an encyclopaedia would do. Still, happy editing to you, Kapil. -- Grace Note

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