Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Skyring

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Statement of the dispute

This is a summary written by users who are concerned by this user's conduct. Users signing other sections ("Response" or "Outside views") should not edit the "Statement of the dispute" section. User Skyring has demonstrated a pattern of behaviour that disregards consensus and shows a determination to maintain control of an article by continuously reverting content and filibustering on the article's talk page. He insists on imposing his own preferred wording in preference to wording that has wider support from the editors active in the article. The primary dispute presented here is from the John Howard article and further examples to indicate the scope and vigour of his tendentious behaviour are given in relation to the David Hicks article.

Desired outcome

This is a summary written by users who have initiated the request for comment. It should spell out exactly what the changes they'd like to see in the user, or what questions of behavior should be the focus. The desired outcome is that Skyring should cease reverting good faith edits and thus allow editors to edit the relevant articles without constantly facing combative behaviour. He should acknowledge that when a wider consensus exists, regardless of his personal view, it is appropriate to allow that wider view to be expressed if the edit is in compliance with Wikipedia policies and guidelines. Concerns about alleged POV or notability should be addressed by positive modification of the text and by discussion, not by reverting. He should recognise that he has no authority to decide autocratically when an edit will be accepted into the article.

Description

{Add summary here, but you must use the section below to certify or endorse it. Users who edit or endorse this summary should not edit the other summaries, other than to endorse them.} Editors have attempted to make a simple statement of fact in the John Howard article that John Howard was the only former Prime Minister not to attend the Apology to the Stolen Generations. This has been prevented, up until recently by edit warring and filibustering. The article was protected while a raging discussion ensued for several days and with several thousand words exchanged.

Skyring sprinkles liberal amounts of conciliatory phrases through his comments and edit summaries but these are contradicted by his actual behaviour and other comments that have a more combative tone.

This behaviour disenfranchises editors who would like to be able to work within Wikipedia's Policies and Guidelines. Currently it seems that the good will consensus model is completely broken for these articles.

Evidence of disputed behavior

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John Howard

1. Assumes bad faith 12:23, 18 February 2008
2. Reverts article text against consensus of other editors 1 2 3
3. Declares that he will apply a process of attrition to get his own way 10:29, 21 February 2008
4. Tendatiously reverts text on talk page to his prefered view ignoring opinion of other editors: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8
5. Argues the same point over and over ignoring all countering points of view and demanding that his point has not yet been answered: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 and so on....

David Hicks

1. Reversion of other's edits: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11
2. Takes pleasure in disruptive behaviour
3. Deletes 3RR warning as "vandalism"
4. Misleading use of diffs to appeal 31 hour 3RR block
5. Insists on removing POV flag. 1 2

Applicable policies and guidelines

{list the policies and guidelines that apply to the disputed conduct}

1. WP:TEND
2. WP:EDITWAR
3. WP:CONS
4. WP:3RR
5. WP:GOODFAITH
6. WP:GAME
7. WP:NOT

Evidence of trying and failing to resolve the dispute

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1. Lester
2. Eyedubya
3. Lester
4. Gnangarra
5. Eyedubya
6. Wm
7. Lester

Users certifying the basis for this dispute

{Users who tried and failed to resolve the dispute}

Response

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Outside view

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Discussion

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