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I changed "8 miles from Parma" to "some 30km southeast of Parma" because there isn't any Fornovo nearer than that. But I may be wrong in that the former Fornovo may have been integrated into the Parma community since then, so please correct me... dab (ᛏ) 10:00, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Southwest

Fornovo (di Taro) is here ℍenry, encyclophile (speak slowly, please) 05:49, 13 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Outcome

I do not see how Fornovo can be regarded as a victory of the League. The French broke through, as they intended to do. Piero Pieri, in his "Il Rinascimento e la crisi militare italiana" acknowledges, as Guicciardini did centuries before him, that the battle should be regarded as a French victory. I suggest "Narrow, strategic French victory" as more accurate. Stammer 11:16, 1 May 2007 (UTC) Actually, as the article says, the Venetians admitted to their own Senate that " the result of the battle was uncertain". Stammer 11:21, 1 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Strength

I am a bit uncertain about the given Strength in the battle. Particularly those of the League. Even the source quoted per un totale di quasi 26000 uomini, that is, if my Italian is good enough, 26,000 men for the League and not the 10,800 written. And furthermore I agree with the previously mentionned point about the final victory. The French obviously assume they won, but the Italian are unsure about the final result. Bilbo pingouin 14:00, 14 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The French didn't break the "italian" line and there wasn't an italian retreat; when the venetian infantry started to march against them they asked a truce to rescue and bury the casualties, and in the night they escaped from the battlefield...This isn't a victorius behaviour. The final result isn't an Italian victory, sure, but isn't a French Victory too!--Dedofreg (talk) 08:33, 20 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Well if it isn't a victory from any of the side it should written such in the article. That was the main point of the discussion here. Bilbo pingouin (talk) 20:06, 13 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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	The French didn't break the "italian" line and there wasn't an italian retreat; when the venetian infantry started to march against them they asked a truce to rescue and bury the casualties, and in the night they escaped from the battlefield...This isn't a victorius behaviour. The final result isn't an Italian victory, sure, but isn't a French Victory too!--[[User:Dedofreg\|Dedofreg]] ([[User talk:Dedofreg\|talk]]) 08:33, 20 December 2007 (UTC)		The French didn't break the "italian" line and there wasn't an italian retreat; when the venetian infantry started to march against them they asked a truce to rescue and bury the casualties, and in the night they escaped from the battlefield...This isn't a victorius behaviour. The final result isn't an Italian victory, sure, but isn't a French Victory too!--[[User:Dedofreg\|Dedofreg]] ([[User talk:Dedofreg\|talk]]) 08:33, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

			:Well if it isn't a victory from any of the side it should written such in the article. That was the main point of the discussion here. [[User:Bilbo pingouin\|Bilbo pingouin]] ([[User talk:Bilbo pingouin\|talk]]) 20:06, 13 April 2008 (UTC)