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The purpose needs to be fixed... the ASUC contains the graduate assembly, and runs the ASUC auxiliary which does not limit the ASUC's definition to just "student government".

For what it's worth, I just removed anti-SA bias from the ridiculous neutrality warning.--Donald192.234.214.110 15:59, 19 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The links to the blogs as sources of ASUC material, without qualifying the material as highly biased, makes this article biased. 72.197.29.42 12:53, 13 July 2006 (UTC) Expense of Student Action? You mean the group who spammed this page with senseless plugs and feels like it can trample all over what it considers "minor political parties"? Future Republicans in training.[reply]

I say delete all those links 202.171.158.82 15:13, 13 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Both of you groups are spamming the page and causing troubles. The page was just fine and neutral as of my last edit and these POV-wars are really causing me a headache and undermining the work I'm doing on this article so cut it off. Now if anyone has something actually constructive to add, please do so. If this keeps up, I'm going to have to get request this page to be semi-protected. Joshlmay 17:01, 13 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

This page doesn't belong to you Josh. You have violated Wikipedia rules. The dispute is a real dispute and needs to be settled; you can't simply try to erase it. 82.119.225.22 00:37, 14 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Could you please create an account or something so that I at least know who I'm arguing with. Oh, and perhaps it should be noted that I'm a member of Student Action and I'm certainly not reaching towards any bias against them, and my edits certainly show that I'm not editing for them either. But these random anonymous edits back and forth do compromise this article. Now as far as the Calstuff link, I'm fine with adding a note that it is run by members of Squelch! Joshlmay 02:31, 14 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I recommend removing the link to CalStuff or adding "Squelch affiliated" 72.197.29.42 01:37, 14 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Why would you delete the BeetleBeat link? It's the most frequently updated source on ASUC shenanigans. I've put it back in. --Donald

I can't remember if it was I who deleted it or not, but the reason would be that it does have a great bias. Not only against the ASUC, but moreso against Student Action. Both those biases deserve a mention if we are to include a link to Beetle in this article. Joshlmay 01:44, 18 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I disagree. He's been more critical of SA recently, but that's only because they've been the ones to be critical of as of late. He's just as critical of CalSERVE when appropriate. They just haven't been a factor in the past couple months. --Donald

After my last edit, I don't see how the neutrality of the links descriptions can be in dispute. At some point, we need to write an explanation of the elections crisis. --Donald

I agree, something should be written; that way the blog material will not be as harmful with its bias. PS Donald, you need to use a real signature. 72.197.29.42 21:57, 18 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I've been trying to write out something unbiased on the crisis, but I've been really busy lately. Hopefully my workload will lighten up soon enough so I can work on this.Joshlmay 16:53, 19 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

For the record - CalStuff has two members currently: Allen Lew and myself. Allen Lew is not a member of SQUELCH! or the Heuristic Squelch, and the definition "managed by SQUELCH! members" is inaccurate. Perhaps "ASUC Blog w/ SQUELCH! Contributors"?

Executive Powers

OK so in the Constitution the final power and responsibility for each executive office and for the judicial council is "To perform other duties as described in the Constitution or assigned by the Senate." Should these be put in the article? I'm not really sure because its kind of vague. Joshlmay 16:52, 19 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Blog Links

Those blogs can't be passed off as just asuc information sources; it needs to be made clear that they do not represent a majority of students or viewpoints; both are typically in agreement opposing Student Action.

Composition?

The "Executive composition" and "Senate composition" do not belong here, and I have removed it. Let me count the ways:

Wikipedia:Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, and the list of student government political party power structures is not encyclopedic. Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information, and listing political powers within this club is quite indiscriminate. Wikipedia is not your web host, and this information is better suited for a blog, personal webpage, or even the official ASUC homepage. Wikipedia is not for original research, and unless you can find some independent reliable secondary sources, this information is original research. There are alternative outlets for this information, since this information is probably useful to someone, but does not qualify for wikipedia.--SevernSevern (talk) 16:32, 16 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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 == Blog Links ==
 Those blogs can't be passed off as just asuc information sources; it needs to be made clear that they do not represent a majority of students or viewpoints; both are typically in agreement opposing Student Action.
+== Composition?  ==
+The "Executive composition" and "Senate composition" do not belong here, and I have removed it. Let me count the ways:
+[[Wikipedia:Wikipedia is an encyclopedia]], and the list of student government political party power structures is not encyclopedic. [[WP:INDISCRIMINATE|Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information]], and listing political powers within this club is quite indiscriminate. [[WP:NOT#HOST|Wikipedia is not your web host]], and this information is better suited for a blog, personal webpage, or even the official ASUC homepage. [[WP:OR|Wikipedia is not for original research]], and unless you can find some [[WP:RS|independent reliable secondary sources]], this information is original research. There are [[Wikipedia:Alternative outlets|alternative outlets]] for this information, since this information is probably useful to someone, but does not qualify for wikipedia.--[[User:SevernSevern|SevernSevern]] ([[User talk:SevernSevern|talk]]) 16:32, 16 April 2008 (UTC)