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Jagadguru Kripalu Ji Maharaj

Delete No sufficient or verifiable claims of notability except for the self published sources. Guru advertisement with references to own sources. Wikidās ॐ 09:54, 27 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of India-related deletion discussions. -- Fabrictramp (talk) 00:07, 30 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Living people-related deletion discussions. -- Fabrictramp (talk) 00:07, 30 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
~~Delete~~ Strong & Speedy Delete - All references are self published and materials are WP:OR. --Tomb of the Unknown Warrior tomb 10:02, 30 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Changed my opinion to Strong & speedy delete because a google search redirected me to videos & nonsense self published results, hardly 10 ghits, I dont know why it has survivied so long. He is also a notorious rapist as accused of it by a follower. --Tomb of the Unknown Warrior tomb 16:30, 1 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

So Wikipedia articles are only for nice, pleasant people? Better get rid of the article on that Mr. Hitler fellow, then. You say he's a "notorious" rapist, which, if your statement is true, would ipso facto make him suitable for an article. "Hardly 10 ghits" - funny, I see a bit over 700. --Badger Drink (talk) 16:47, 1 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Not that it matters, but the allegations were thrown out of court. 205.240.11.90 (talk) 17:29, 1 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

If he is a notable rapist guru, I would have changed my opinion. He is not only non-notable, but also notorious in one incident, an accusation of a nn rape incident either. --Tomb of the Unknown Warrior tomb 16:56, 1 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Note: The article no longer quotes self published material. 74.85.13.60 (talk) 10:42, 30 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Harjk, Can you stop vandalizing the article? Otherwise you should say which part you consider refers to self-published material or original research... If noone can give a reason to delete the article, its not being deleted.
I am removing the tag. No one has yet given a reason for deleting it. If the wiki page needs changing, then change it yourself, or say whats wrong with it. What is the protocol for repeated abuse of the deletion tag? 86.40.100.198 (talk) 09:28, 1 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

74.85.13.60 (talk) 12:01, 30 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I am reverting your edits. Dont remove AfD tag until the discussion is over. That's our policy. --Tomb of the Unknown Warrior tomb 14:44, 1 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

~~Weak~~ Keep - The person does seem to be somewhat notable at least in the sense of being a sort of "spiritual teacher". Although ghits != notability, Google Searches do show him to be mentioned in connection with several (religious and social) organizations. I think the we should give some opportunity to let the article be improved with some WP:RSes. He also seems to lead an organization that has created hospitals in India. I've been hard pressed to find any news articles on him other than this which looks like an editorial/opinion piece of some sort. If more reliable sources can be found, then the article might merit inclusion. --vi5in^[talk] 15:50, 1 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - Changing to Keep. As the sources show below, he is definitely notable. However, the sources need to be examined to see if they meet WP:RS. --vi5in^[talk] 17:32, 1 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: Changed my opinion to Kill with fire. see the reason. --Tomb of the Unknown Warrior tomb 16:30, 1 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Closing admin's notice: All references below are not independent of the subject. Many of them doesn't even saying about him. It is more or less lying. This swami is only notable for his rape of a fellow follower. It seems User:Vivin is trying to mislead participants getting more favourite votes for keep. --Tomb of the Unknown Warrior tomb 18:01, 1 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Question of notability

I think he is notable. Here are some articles and books i pulled up with a brief websearch. There are many more.
Books & Editorials:

News Articles & books

tinyurl.com/59ezcm
mouthshut.com/review/Aastha-55136-1.html
indiapost.com/article/communitypost/2530/
www.telegraphindia.com/1060304/asp/opinion/story_5921377.asp
www.tribuneindia.com/2003/20031129/windows/main1.htm
www.dnaindia.com/report.asp?newsid=1112224
www.tribuneindia.com/2006/20060304/saturday/above.htm
www.deccanherald.com/Content/Aug42007/khushwant2007080316971.asp
www.jsonline.com/story/index.aspx?id=552339
www.hinduismtoday.com/archives/1999/3/1999-3-18.shtml
www.hindusofhouston.net/PastEvents/2006/2006.html
www.hinduismtoday.com/archives/1996/5/1996-5-17.shtml
www.hamilton.edu/levitt/Insights/ Following%20the%20Swami%20_insights_.pdf
www.tribuneindia.com/2007/20070729/world.htm
www.hinduismtoday.com/ archives/2001/7-8/68_minister.shtml
www.australianspeaker.com/x/austrn/speaker848.html
www.lokvani.com/lokvani/article.php?article_id=1513
www.indoamerican-news.com/Community.html
www.thereligiousproducts.com/jagadguru-kripalu-parishat.html
www.utc.edu/Academic/Psychology/ staff/documents/SilverVita.pdf
www.indoamerican-news.com/Stories/Mahraj042007.html
www.ksar15.org/schedule/showdscpts.php
www.austinchronicle.com/gyrobase/Awards/BestOfAustin/?BOACategory=Architecture%20%26%20Lodging&Poll=Critics&Year=2003
www.pluralism.org/research/profiles/display.php?profile=72430
www.sfstation.com/diwakari-devi-e230791
www.advaita-vedanta.org/archives/advaita-l/2005-January/001758.html
www.enewsbuilder.net/peoplereport/e_article000716049.cfm?x=b11,0,w
www.dallasnews.com/s/advertising/interstitial/index-dallas.htm?fw=http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/dn/localnews/columnists/ewu/stories/DN-wu_08met.ART0.North.Edition1.44edff8.html
www.telegraphindia.com/1070129/asp/opinion/story_7315053.asp
www.deccanherald.com/archives/oct82005/editpage1510452005107.asp
www.highbeam.com/doc/1P1-23054841.html
nl.newsbank.com/nl-search/we/Archives?p_product=DM&p_theme=dm&p_action=search&p_maxdocs=200&p_topdoc=1&p_text_direct-0=0ED3DB9A43C5FF2A&p_field_direct-0=document_id&p_perpage=10&p_sort=YMD_date:D&s_trackval=GooglePM
www.hinduismtoday.com/archives/2001/7-8/68_minister.shtml
www.hinduismtoday.com/archives/1999/3/1999-3-18.shtml
www.htccofkc.org/newhome/patrika_folder/hp2006-11.pdf
www.advaita-vedanta.org/archives/ advaita-l/2005-January/001758.html
Saraswati, S.P, 2007. "Amazing Facts about Hinduism" Delhi: Macmillan Publishers
Saraswati, S.P. 1999. The True History and the Religion of India - Encyclopedia of Authentic Hinduism. Delhi: Motilal Banarsidass
A Discography of Hindustani and Karnatic Music (ISBN:0313244790) Greenwood Publishing Group
Six Sigma for Transactions and Service (ISBN:0071443304) McGraw-Hill

Government:

mha.nic.in/fd-ar0304/9.3Reported%20Associations%20for%202003-04%5CDelhi.htm
pib.nic.in/archieve/others/gujaratequake/pmo.html
University Grants Comission. College list. New Delhi: Chairman of the UGC.
Sen, A.K. (2001). Tourism in India. Delhi: Modern Book Agency. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 205.240.11.90 (talk) 17:26, 1 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

From User:Wikidas' talk page

You tagged these pages for deletion. Can you help close the issue on the delete talk pages? If you can suggest how to improve these articles then I can help since i am knowledgable of the subject matter. 205.240.11.90 (talk) 15:54, 1 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I personally do not have any objection of making the pages shorter and only base them on the factual material. What you should do is to comment on them - to keep or to delete. I suggest you should vote 'keep', as it appears he is your guru. However due to media hipe around him now, it may be better to delete the pages in his own interest. Let me know what you think. I can help you with a draft very short page that will make things less controversial. I also suggest using an account that you have created. Let me know how compact you think it should be. I'm personally am fighting off a lobby of people who are against Jiva Goswami and his conclusions. I have a particulary hard time on the page Svayam bhagavan. You are welcome to join the discussion there if you wish, since you are even not Gaudiya but of the same philosophy. Let me know. The discussion is at Talk:Svayam bhagavan. Wikidās ॐ 16:04, 1 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

No i am not interested in removing any controversy as long as it is fair and factual, i am only interested in presenting facts that are verifiable, well-sourced, and unbiased. Since you are the one who tagged the article for deletion, i am requesting that you address the following issues you had raised on the articles talk page:

It resembles a fan site. Tagged since April 2008.
Its neutrality is disputed. Tagged since April 2008.
It may contain original research or unverifiable claims. Tagged since April 2008.
It may violate Wikipedia's policy on biographies of living persons. Tagged since April 2008.
It reads like a personal reflection or essay. Tagged since April 2008.
It reads like an advertisement and needs to be rewritten from a neutral point of view. Tagged since April 2008.
It describes a work or element of fiction in a primarily in-universe style that may require cleanup. Tagged since April 2008.
It is an autobiography, or has been extensively edited by the subject, and may not conform to NPOV policy.
It may contain improper references to self-published sources. Tagged since April 2008. 205.240.11.90 (talk) 17:49, 1 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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 :*'''Comment''' - Changing to Keep. As the sources show below, he is definitely notable. However, the sources need to be examined to see if they meet [[WP:RS]]. --[[User:Vivin|<span style = "color:#000055; font-weight:bold">vi5in</span>]]<sup>[[User_talk:Vivin|<span style = "color:green; font-weight:bold">[talk]</span>]]</sup> 17:32, 1 May 2008 (UTC)
 *'''Comment''': Changed my opinion to Kill with fire. see the reason. --'''[[User:Harjk|<span style="color:00CC33">Tomb of the Unknown Warrior</span>]]''' '''<small>[[User talk:Harjk|<span style="color:#6666CC">tomb</span>]]</small>''' 16:30, 1 May 2008 (UTC)
+::*'''Closing admin's notice''': All references below are not independent of the subject. Many of them doesn't even saying about him. It is more or less lying. This swami is only notable for his rape of a fellow follower. It seems [[User:Vivin]] is trying to mislead participants getting more favourite votes for keep. --'''[[User:Harjk|<span style="color:00CC33">Tomb of the Unknown Warrior</span>]]''' '''<small>[[User talk:Harjk|<span style="color:#6666CC">tomb</span>]]</small>''' 18:01, 1 May 2008 (UTC)
 ==Question of notability==