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== Medcab Request == |
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Please see [[Wikipedia:Mediation Cabal/Cases/2008-05-05 Tyrell Johnson (American football)]] for more details. |
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|article = [[Tyrell Johnson]], [[Glenn Dorsey]], [[Chris Long]], [[Brian Brohm]], [[Matt Ryan]], and several other articles |
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|requestor = [[Special:Contributions/67.137.0.28|67.137.0.28]] ([[User talk:67.137.0.28|talk]]) 23:44, 5 May 2008 (UTC) |
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=== Request details === |
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==== Who are the involved parties? ==== |
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[[User:Chrisjnelson]], [[User:Yankees10|Yankees10]], [[Special:Contributions/72.0.36.36|72.0.36.36]], [[User:CopaceticThought|CopaceticThought]], [[User:RC-0722|RC-0722]], [[User talk:Cgarz89|Cgarz89]], [[Special:Contributions/67.137.0.28|67.137.0.28]], [[User:Tromboneguy0186|Tromboneguy0186]] |
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==== What's going on? ==== |
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You can see prior discussion on it here: |
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*[[Talk:Glenn Dorsey#Originally]] |
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*[[Talk:Chris_Long (American football)#"Originally drafted?"]] |
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*[[User Talk:Yankees10#Originally drafted]] |
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*[[User Talk:Chrisjnelson#Originally]] |
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There are a couple of users ([[User:Yankees10]] and [[User:Chrisjnelson]]) who have decided in the interest of uniformity to change <u>every</u> NFL player's article from saying "was drafted by..." to "was '''originally''' drafted by..." Their intent was to convey that this is where the player's career began. Often when a player moves to another team their article says they "originally came from such and such team and now are at another team". To make all the articles consistent they decided to make every single article say "originally" in them, even the ones who haven't moved to another team. |
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Since adding "originally" to every page they've they've been reverted many times. Using the word originally implies they have been drafted more than once, when in fact they have not. Or it may imply they've moved on to another team, where in fact many of them have not. Several users feel putting "originally" into an article where it doesn't make sense is wrong and sounds goofy, others have pointed out that it's bad grammar. |
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There has been discussions on both of their user pages about it ([http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Yankees10#Originally_drafted http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Yankees10#Originally_drafted] and [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Chrisjnelson#Originally http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Chrisjnelson#Originally]. This argument has potential to spiral out of control (they've put so much work into changing all the articles that at this point they wouldn't admit they were wrong even if they knew they are) so it would be nice to get mediator involvement. |
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==== What would you like to change about that? ==== |
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I would like to get a third party mediator opinion on whether or not we should: |
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*add "originally drafted" to every professional player's page (even the ones who haven't moved to another team) in the interest of consistency at the expense of proper grammar and fluidity |
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*add "originally drafted" to only those players who have moved to another team at the expense of consistency |
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*add "originally drafted" sparingly and only where it makes sense and revert those articles where they do not make sense |
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*do not add "originally" on any of the articles |
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=== Mediator notes === |
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=== Discussion === |
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They've gotten into editing wars over this, which is not uncommon for these two users. Chrisjnelson has been blocked 17 times for edit warring over the last year and Yankees10 was just blocked last week. So instead of seeing this spiral out of control I thought we should get mediator involvement. If the mediator agrees we should add "originally" to every article then the edit warring could end. [[Special:Contributions/67.137.0.28|67.137.0.28]] ([[User talk:67.137.0.28|talk]]) 23:44, 5 May 2008 (UTC) |
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Revision as of 00:02, 6 May 2008
Guess the "high draft pick" line depends on what one considers high. Most mocks have Johnson somewhere in the middle of the second round up to the fourth round. CiTrusD Talk here! 00:37, 26 April 2008 (UTC)
We dont have to worry about this anymore since he was drafted--Yankees10 23:35, 26 April 2008 (UTC)
New Info Proposal
I propose putting the following information in about his draft: "Tyrell initially was projected to be drafted in the third round because he was perceived to have come from a smaller school with inferior competition to schools like the University of Miami where competing safety Kenny Phillips came from. While Johnson impressed at the Hula Bowl, it wasn't against the elite talent needed to ease scouts' concerns about his level of competition. The Hula Bowl was the most high profile all-star game Johnson was invited to. [1]
Johnson impressed yet again at the Scouting Combine, leading all safeties tested with 27 bench press reps at 225 pounds and a 10'7" broad jump. He finished in the top five in the 40 (4.42) and vertical jump (32") as well. Tyrell's draft stock went up over the last few weeks leading up to the draft as scouts reviewed his tapes. Mel Kiper and Mike Mayock both had him listed as the top safety in the draft.[2] Jason La Canfora of the Washington Post wrote that he his sources told him Johnson could go as high as to Philadelphia at 19th overall [3].
When Tyrell was available in the second round, the Vikings moved up four places in the second round to ensure he wasn't taken by another team. In order to move up four places the Vikings traded their next available pick, a 4th rounder, for Philadelphia's 5th round pick." Considering he was the Vikings first pick this year and considering the fact that he hasn't had an NFL career yet, I think this is good information to include in any article about this player. Right now the article looks like a stub page.- 67.137.0.28 (talk) 05:58, 27 April 2008 (UTC)
Medcab Request
Please see Wikipedia:Mediation Cabal/Cases/2008-05-05 Tyrell Johnson (American football) for more details.