Talk:Lu Sheng-yen/Archive 1

It would be nice if the two anonymous users who keep radically altering the Sheng-yen article (one including serious allegations of sexual misconduct, the other white-washing the whole thing) would at least attempt to discuss their positions here instead of continuing this pissing contest.--RicardoC 09:12, 16 August 2005 (UTC)

I was surprised that somebody might have deleted the entire original article on Grand Master Lu Sheng Yen. This article is completely biased and certainly do not reveal the actual accuracy which public may need in Wikipedia site. please re-review the accuracy of this page and restore the original article (which may have been deleted).

Ok, Im getting alittle sick of this too. I am not a religious fanatic or cult follower. I am no man with blind faith, I have been following Sheng-Yen Lu for 10 years and have personally known him. I have also studied extensively many others schools of Buddhist thought and other religions as well. I am inviteing these "slanderers" to a public or private debate. I will come on top! I know the facts very well and I have all the pictures to back them up. This is rediculous. Can they not let us disciples who are good hearted people have alittle piece of mind. I want to finish this once and for all. Lu Sheng-Yen is a good man, with a good heart and he doesnt deserve this nonsence. Its pitiful how ugly some peoples hearts seem to be. Please debate with me! On email, public forum, private chat, msn, yahoo, aim ect. I want to get this over. This hurts me alot. lordindra3@yahoo.com PS i am a new user so please forgive me for mistakes

My concern is for proof to be put forth over any claims, positive or negative. If the anonymous user with the axe to grind wants to bring up allegations of sexual misconduct, then he damn better have evidence, or else he's damaging an innocent man's reputation. I wasn't happy when the article claimed Sheng-yen Lu is the reincarnation of a holy being, since that is not a verifiable claim, but that was child's play compared to accusing the man of rape. I'm a new user as well, so I'm wondering if perhaps it would be best to notify an administrator.--RicardoC 10:33, 17 August 2005 (UTC)

(--)Ricardo,your views in agreeing Sheng Yen Lu as a reincarnation of a Holy as real or not, u are entitled to have your views im not going to argue with this. What worry us the most is the accusations are all false. In regards to the sexual allegations, the case was thrown out of court without any legal basis to continue with the persecution.

Now there are group of people who are actively against our teacher because they claims what he propagates his false (and what these group of people say is they correct)-their weapon is to destroy our teacher reputation by all means, either by truthful or false information as long as it causes problems. All we wanted is to list on the wikipedia some information about our school, something about our teacher and what he teaches, if people are interested can read on and if not well dont read it, simple. if what these group of people are not vandals and dont know what is.

ps.an administrator already been notified about this page.

+++This is a free country. We can sue anyone for sexual abuse or anything, but we also must respect everyone's basic civil right. Everyone is innocent until proven quility. There is no solid evidence so that is why Seattle court dismissed the cases. If they dont agree with the court decision, they should bring the case to court again or escalate it to the supreme courty, but not abuse Wikipedia to spread about the one-sided story+++.

Missing part of the article

What I was trying to say (seems that nobody capture my message) is to restore the original article which seems to be more comprehensive and provide more detailed information. This article seems a little bit shorter than the previous one and miss some information about the controvery itself; such as "how to kill people" speech and the "hat controversy". I'm really hoping that none of this teaching follower (in fact, i'm one of the follower) is offended as I'm only looking for the truth here.

Some of the controversy are well explained and detailed here http://www.geocities.com/athens/ithaca/4886/tbsn002.htm

I dont know enough about the "how to kill speech" to debate thoroughly about it but the "hat controversy" IS BOGUS!!! Listen, I have met Ganden Tri Rinpoche back when he took all the time to fly into the True Buddha Tantric quarter! Where is the source of Ganden Tri Rinpoche saying that he only gave a hat as a souvenier? Where is the source to that? Who said that, that is only word of mouth!? I, on the other hand can come with pictures of Ganden Tri Rinpoche giving the robe and hat to Sheng-Yen Lu as well as a photo of Sheng-Yen Lu wearing the robe! Jeez, where is this information coming from? Oh wow, *sarcasticlly* that website states alot of sources...Its garbage! There is no reliable info except peoples opinion and pictures of Sheng-Yen Lu with the Rinpoches. Seems like reliable facts to me(once again very sarcastic). you can email me lordindra3@yahoo.com if you have any questions. Im just looking out for the burdend disciples who are tired of being harrased. We just want to follow and love our Guru just like any Tantric Buddhist does.