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On what will probably be a permanent WikiBreak. Don't bother leaving any messages unless you want them ignored. Caerwine Caer’s whines 05:37, 4 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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+On what will probably be a permanent WikiBreak.  Don't bother leaving any messages unless you want them ignored. <span style="font-family:cursive">[[User:Caerwine|Caerwine]]</span> [[User_talk:Caerwine|<small style="font-family:sans-serif;color:darkred">Caer’s whines</small>]] 05:37, 4 August 2008 (UTC)
-;Archives? I ain't got no archives. I don't need no archives! I don't have to show you any stinkin' archives!
-:I do however have links to snapshots of what was on my talk page just before each time I trimmed the excess away.
-:[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Caerwine&oldid=29778352 2 Dec 2005] | [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Caerwine&oldid=33788544 4 Jan 2006] | [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Caerwine&oldid=58725083 15 Jun 2006] | [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Caerwine&oldid=64812507 20 Jul 2006] | [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Caerwine&oldid=99599766 9 Jan 2007] | [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Caerwine&oldid=110461579 26 Feb 2007] | [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Caerwine&oldid=142747922 7 Jul 2007] | [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Caerwine&oldid=162878778 11 Oct 2007] | [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Caerwine&oldid=194126707 26 Feb 2008] | [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Caerwine&oldid=209851082 7 May 2008]
-== Latin Abbreviations ==
-A place for people to comment on the [[User:Caerwine/Latin abbreviations|table]] I compiled.  It isn't intended to be comprehensive, just list the ones that are both common and useful. [[User:Caerwine|Caerwine]] 13:59, 4 August 2005 (UTC)
-*I think the list you have compiled is generally okay. Personally, I'd only advocate using e.g. and i.e., and occasionally cf. (which you've not included). Latinate terms such as ibid and et al are not ideal for referencing use on Wikipedia, though that doesn't mean they can't be used. Happy editing, --[[User:Cyberjunkie|Cyberjunkie]] | [[User_talk:Cyberjunkie|Talk]] 14:13, 4 August 2005 (UTC)
-*Looks great. Please eliminate the first two columns. --[[User:Tysto|Tysto]] 14:20, 2005 August 9 (UTC)
-== Tireless Contributor Barnstar Award ==
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-|style="vertical-align: middle; border-top: 1px solid gray;" | I Hpfan9374, hereby award you with the Tireless Contributor Barnstar Award, for contributing an especially large body of work without sacrificing quality. [[User:Hpfan9374|Hpfan9374]] 08:46, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
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-==Smile==
-I had sent you a smile - but someone deleted the template! Oh well ... [[User:Brookie|Brookie :) - a will o' the wisp !]] [[User talk:Brookie|<sup>(Whisper...)</sup>]] 10:28, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
-:I've re-written my own one - so you won't have to do without!
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-{{{1|<font size="1">[[User:Brookie|Brookie :) - a will o' the wisp !]] [[User talk:Brookie|<sup>(Whisper...)</sup>]]</sup></font>}}} has smiled at you! Smiles are good! and hopefully this one has made your day better. Why not smile at someone else, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past or a good friend?
-Happy editing!
-</div>
-== DYK ==
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-|On [[15 February]], [[2007]], '''[[:Template:Did you know|Did you know?]]''' was updated with a fact from the article '''''[[Joe McDoakes]]''''', which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the [[:Template talk:Did you know|"Did you know?" talk page]].
-|} <!-- [[{{CURRENTMONTHNAME}} {{CURRENTDAY}}]], [[{{CURRENTYEAR}}]] -->--[[User:Yomangani|<span style="font-family:Verdana;color:#0000ee">Yomangani</span>]][[User_talk:Yomangani|<sup>talk</sup>]] 09:52, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
-== DYK ==
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-|} <!-- [[{{CURRENTMONTHNAME}} {{CURRENTDAY}}]], [[{{CURRENTYEAR}}]] --> --[[User:Carabinieri|Carabinieri]] 11:30, 1 December 2007 (UTC)
-== Red & White ==
-I see that you have moved this page, and started a new page with the old name.  Unlike a normal move, which sets up a redirect (see [[WP:MOVE]]), this means that all the links now link to your new page, and would all need to be fixed - quite a task.
-To fix this, I am proposing to rename your new page Red & White (food stores).  I would rename the old page Red & White Services, insert a dablink, and create a redirect page with the old name.  If you have any comments, please shout soonest, because we need to fix this before links start appearing to the new page.  Thanks. [[User:Mhockey|Mhockey]] ([[User talk:Mhockey|talk]]) 14:09, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
-== monthly update of style and policy pages: April 2008 ==
-Thanks. [[User:Tony1|<font color="darkgreen">'''TONY'''</font >]] [[User_talk:Tony1|<font color="darkgreen">(talk)</font >]] 03:47, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
-== Footy ==
-Oops. Sorry about that. Thanks for fixing it.--[[User:Jeff79|Jeff79]] ([[User talk:Jeff79|talk]]) 04:54, 17 May 2008 (UTC)
-== In case you haven't noticed... ==
-In case you haven't noticed, I thought you might like to know about [[Wikipedia:Requests_for_adminship/Pegship|this]] :) [[User:Grutness|Grutness]]...''<small><font color="#008822">[[User_talk:Grutness|wha?]]</font></small>'' 09:27, 31 May 2008 (UTC)
-* Thanks for at least a "neutral" comment, and I'll resist the Dark Side to the fullest extent of my abilities. :P [[User:Pegship|Her Pegship]] <small><font color="green">[[User talk:Pegship| (tis herself)]]</font></small> 20:47, 31 May 2008 (UTC)
-== Deleted redirects ==
-Hi Caerwine, I've restored the redirects that were on my watchlist 9all the subpages of the stub list). it looks like they were deleted by someone who doesn't understand the difference between an orphaned article (one with no incoming links) and an orphaned talk page 9one with no equivalent article), and assumed that the links weren't any use. [[User:Grutness|Grutness]]...''<small><font color="#008822">[[User_talk:Grutness|wha?]]</font></small>'' 01:40, 1 June 2008 (UTC)
-== ITN ==
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-|On [[22 July]], [[2008]], '''[[:Template:In the news|In the news]]''' was updated with {{#if:|facts|a news item}} that involved the article(s) {{#if:|s|}} '''''[[Zimbabwean dollar]]'''''{{#if:|{{#if:|, |, and}} '''''[[{{{4}}}]]'''''
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-}}{{#if:|, and '''''[[{{{6}}}]]'''''}}, which you created or substantially updated. If you know of another interesting news item involving a recently created or updated article, then please suggest it on the [[:Wikipedia:In the news section on the Main Page/Candidates|In the news candidates page]].
-|} <!-- [[{{CURRENTMONTHNAME}} {{CURRENTDAY}}]], [[{{CURRENTYEAR}}]] --> --[[User:BanyanTree|Banyan]][[User talk:BanyanTree|Tree]] 03:51, 22 July 2008 (UTC)
-== You dot es dot ==
-It's been optional for some time, and a good thing too, since many Americans don't like it (it was a US Wikipedian who was most strident in the move to optionalise); a minor consideration is also that the dots are rarely used outside the US and Canada. Acronyms and initialisms are generally written without dots nowadays, as part of an overriding trend by English-speakers; you dot es dot is a glaring and waning exception—the rotary dial of acronyms. While you're still allowed to use the dots if you really like the clunky appearance, it's frowned on to change optional styles from one to another without a very good reason. Likewise, people don't go through articles removing the dots, either. Please observe this policy. [[User:Tony1|<font color="darkgreen">'''Tony'''</font >]] [[User talk:Tony1|<font color="darkgreen">(talk)</font >]] 06:39, 27 July 2008 (UTC)
-:MOSNUM was using both U.S. and US, which was one reason I chose to give the measurement section a consistent U.S. usage.  And by the way, you'll note from my user box that I still use a rotary dial phone. <span style="font-family:cursive">[[User:Caerwine|Caerwine]]</span> [[User_talk:Caerwine|<small style="font-family:sans-serif;color:darkred">Caer’s whines</small>]] 21:26, 27 July 2008 (UTC)
-:Yes, that was my joke ... which is no longer a joke when explicated. ''You'' might have old-fashioned ways, but please be more flexible and stop this campaign against the widely preferred "US". I'm afraid you're up against a lot of people who use it, Americans and non-Americans. I'll deal with the inconsistencies in MOSNUM now. [[User:Tony1|<font color="darkgreen">'''Tony'''</font >]] [[User talk:Tony1|<font color="darkgreen">(talk)</font >]] 01:46, 28 July 2008 (UTC)
-::PS There were only two, which someone has inserted into the "Disambiguation" section in good faith. This is bound to happen on a page from time to time, both with and without dots, since editors often forget to check the prevailing option on the page. Now, how can we convince you to loosen up and accept both forms like most of the world? [[User:Tony1|<font color="darkgreen">'''Tony'''</font >]] [[User talk:Tony1|<font color="darkgreen">(talk)</font >]] 01:49, 28 July 2008 (UTC)
-:::If it were touching on an international topic, I'd be very loose, but it isn't.  I was trying for a middle ground of not using abbreviations where they are not needed, but you reverted those as well.  Not everything needs to be abbreviated, y'know.  Worse, you also undid the changes I made for the pound sterling.  Pound sterling is the more correct form and it avoids abbreviation.  The pound sterling is not just the legal tender of the United Kingdom, but also of the Crown dependencies (Isle of Man and the Channel Islands)  Technically it would be the GB pound if we followed the ISO 4127 standard if an abbreviation be used. <span style="font-family:cursive">[[User:Caerwine|Caerwine]]</span> [[User_talk:Caerwine|<small style="font-family:sans-serif;color:darkred">Caer’s whines</small>]] 02:51, 28 July 2008 (UTC)
-:::PS, I did it as several edits before on purpose, as I addressed different issues in each.  If you feel you must revert again, please don't do it en masse, as they are not all related to the US / U.S issue we are disagreeing with.  I will leave that one for last. <span style="font-family:cursive">[[User:Caerwine|Caerwine]]</span> [[User_talk:Caerwine|<small style="font-family:sans-serif;color:darkred">Caer’s whines</small>]] 02:58, 28 July 2008 (UTC)
-== re-tweaks ==
-Yes, I'm sorry I lost those in the revert; they're improvements. (I did change to "or" manually first time, but forgot when I discovered how far back your edits went.) [[User:Tony1|<font color="darkgreen">'''Tony'''</font >]] [[User talk:Tony1|<font color="darkgreen">(talk)</font >]] 03:01, 28 July 2008 (UTC)
-:May I put in a plea for the utility of these abbreviations. While some editors prefer the first occurrence in an article to be spelt out (I don't, but I can cope with that), many or most prefer the abbreviations for these oh-so-common items. Likewise we don't spell out "NASA" or "BBC" or a whole host of acronymmed items. Since hardly anyone in the world doesn't recognise these abbreviations, their advantage in uncluttering the text is manifest. [[User:Tony1|<font color="darkgreen">'''Tony'''</font >]] [[User talk:Tony1|<font color="darkgreen">(talk)</font >]] 03:05, 28 July 2008 (UTC)
-::The difference is that no one says in every day language "National Aeronautic and Space Administration" or "British Broadcasting Company" while "United States" gets used all the time.  I've gone about as far as I can now with the deabbreviation, without being highly excessive.  I have another idea to finese more of the US / U.S. issue that I'll be bringing up shortly at the MOSNUM talk page. <span style="font-family:cursive">[[User:Caerwine|Caerwine]]</span> [[User_talk:Caerwine|<small style="font-family:sans-serif;color:darkred">Caer’s whines</small>]] 03:20, 28 July 2008 (UTC)
-:::But just ''why'' you care so much about the clunky dots is beyond me. You haven't provided a reason that (1) it's worth converting whole articles, and (2) it improves appearance and readability. [[User:Tony1|<font color="darkgreen">'''Tony'''</font >]] [[User talk:Tony1|<font color="darkgreen">(talk)</font >]] 05:52, 29 July 2008 (UTC)
-::::Leaving aside the point issue for the moment, I can't see why you are so insistent on using abbreviations where they do not improve readability. <span style="font-family:cursive">[[User:Caerwine|Caerwine]]</span> [[User_talk:Caerwine|<small style="font-family:sans-serif;color:darkred">Caer’s whines</small>]] 11:01, 29 July 2008 (UTC)
-::::PS, also as I pointed out, UK pound is inexact for the GBP.  I think you would agree that replacing UK with GB would likely cause some confusion, so in that case deabbreviation is not aimply a stylistic concern. <span style="font-family:cursive">[[User:Caerwine|Caerwine]]</span> [[User_talk:Caerwine|<small style="font-family:sans-serif;color:darkred">Caer’s whines</small>]] 11:11, 29 July 2008 (UTC)
-:::::Yes, you're right on GB pound; and some of your other edits are improvements. But I'm firmly of the opinion that the use of such well-known acronyms ''does'' make the reading easier—highly identifiable and less clutter. (Let me brag: my doctoral dissertation was in the pscyhology of reading; while there's no research to support what I'm saying, it seems intuitive to me.) You seem like a nice ?man, and knowledgeable too, but I can't penetrate these assumptions of yours. PS Don't you get a sore (and grubby) finger using a rotary dial? [[User:Tony1|<font color="darkgreen">'''Tony'''</font >]] [[User talk:Tony1|<font color="darkgreen">(talk)</font >]] 15:10, 29 July 2008 (UTC)
-::::::My old Western Electric is sturdier (it survived a lightning strike a few years ago that fried not only the touchtone phones I had, but also one of the wires leading from the main junction box to an outlet) and it has better sound quality than the cheap phones one gets.  I also don't make tons of outgoing phone calls.  As for abbreviations, I won't deny that they increase reading ''speed'', but as for reading ''comprehension'', I'm dubious.  Indeed, the increase in speed likely hurts retention.  For material for which retention is unimportant, that matters little, but ideally, a manual of style should not be something to which re-referencing is needed. <span style="font-family:cursive">[[User:Caerwine|Caerwine]]</span> [[User_talk:Caerwine|<small style="font-family:sans-serif;color:darkred">Caer’s whines</small>]] 17:09, 29 July 2008 (UTC)