Talk:List of Hollows in Bleach

Ulquiorra CIFER

Bleach: Heat the Soul 5: http://www.jp.playstation.com/scej/title/bleach/heat5/sfw2/
His name is romanized Ulquiorra Cifer. - 189.71.76.239 (talk) 14:12, 25 December 2007 (UTC)

Lol, not its not. http://usera.imagecave.com/WalkerTheRipper/WW/variation1.png :P —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.188.25.23 (talk) 02:35, 29 December 2007 (UTC)

Who stated and even CITED that Ulquiorra's hole was between his eyes?! It's not, and the page of reference shows his hole in the middle of his chest. Xmikeyxlikesitx (talk) 17:39, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

Patros mini-arc

I have just restored the stuff that TTN deleted about the mini-arc with Patros trying to steal the orb of distortion. I don't think there's any particular reason to delete these characters (see also my arguments at Talk:List of Bleach characters), but even if a consensus is reached there to remove extremely minor characters, still Patros qualifies for a higher tier of notability due to being a major villain in a mini-arc (2 episodes). So even if his minions' entries in the list are deleted, there's no question that his should be kept. -- Ynhockey ^(Talk) 17:24, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

Do Not Merge

If you got more info about a character it should get his own page —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.88.62.6 (talk) 19:41, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

"Major villain" means nothing in the course of two episodes. Remember the mini-arc with the cook guy that turned into a Menos? That was 3 episodes and I don't see him here.StardustDragon 16:56, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

English Names

Before I waste time editing this, only to have it reverted, would it make more sense to change the Arrancar names to thier English counterparts chosen by Viz? Shonen Jump has Edrad as Edorad, Di Roy as D-Roy, and so on. Or at least put a note that they're reffered to as such? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.176.16.199 (talk) 20:53, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

Indicating what Viz calls them is fine, but changing the names to what Viz uses would require more of a discussion. ~SnapperTo 21:12, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

I think the Viz translations make more sense than something someone found on a bag. Or whatever odd source was used to get those odd romanizations. Big red01027 (talk) 04:15, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

Explain how it's supposed to make "more sense" please. I don't know much about VIz's other translation, but for the translations they've done for bleach, there are a lot of major screwups. For example calling Byakuya's release command "die" instead of "scatter" (they suddenly changed this in later chapters though). As well as kira's release command "show yourself" instead of "raise your head". To me, it's VIZ's translation that doesn't make sense most of the time. So pls, explain. Twsl (talk) 12:35, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

Viz is not perfect, by any means, nor was I arguing such. I just think the Arrancar names that are up there now don't make sense given the kana and romaji. The person who began this discussion brought up Edorado and Di Roi. The romanizations that make the most sense to me would be Edorad and D-Roy, as he stated. Viz agrees, so I think those should be put there, since they're the "official" translators for this region. I'm not going to edit anything; I'm just expressing my opinion. So, take it or leave it. Big red01027 (talk) 23:00, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

Viz's names trump romanizations; this is the English wiki. StardustDragon 15:55, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

Findor

In chapter 318 barragan called on one of his faccion named Findor to smmon four hollows should we add this findor fellow to the article? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.189.215.119 (talk) 19:49, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

Why must Stark be listed first?

The section says that the first three are unordered but there seems to be absolute requirement that Stark be listed first. This ordering seems to have the intention of preserving certain people's theories about the ordering. If the article says they are not ordered, why does Stark have to be first? 63.169.67.236 (talk) 22:31, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

It's listed by order of appearance. --76.105.46.124 (talk) 06:43, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

By that logic, every ordering possible will "preserve some people's theories about the ordering." Get over it. StardustDragon 15:54, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

Arturo Plateado

Why was Arturo Plateado removed from the list? 205.110.156.20 (talk) 01:50, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

In the grand scheme of things, he isn't notable.—Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？ (talk • contribs) 01:59, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

So what? He is an arrancar you dont know wikipedia dont you? He is notible because he is a arrancar and he is the main Antagonist of the bleach game bleach:shattered blade he is also in the game bleach 3rd phantom its just not because he is not in the ″grand scheme of things” the character should be taking out.Grimmjow E6 (talk) 01:09, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information. He has no effect on the plot, he is only a video game character. That makes him not notable. StardustDragon 16:57, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

And when we say notable, we're not talking about personal opinions - we even have a pretty guideline. IceUnshattered (talk) 17:36, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

I've requested him to read it a bunch of times, he doesn't understand it. He thinks that some fans selling copies of Grimmjow's sword constitutes notability. Sigh, I hate WP:AGF. StardustDragon 21:29, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

Ok so the character is not worthy of notice i understand that i already read WP:Notability because Muramasa itachi suggested it as well as the other two but it also makes this encyclopedia not detailed enough on the information,unrealiable and fail to provide information that is needed because it is part of the topic and and what's up? Why put that its a “pretty guildline″? Do you think that will want me to read it IF i havent? And why say “I've requested him to read it a bunch of times, he doesn't understand it. He thinks that some fans selling copies of Grimmjow's sword constitutes notability. Sigh, I hate WP:AGF″ ha! Why dont you come out and say what you want to say buddy? Havent you contribute enough to wikipedia to make the assume good faith rule be neglected a little on your part? You dont get extra opportunities because of what you do, you can be like Collectonian but get sick of what your doing and attempt to delete all of wikipedia pages but still be blocked for good right? Because you are all Wikipedia:Wikipedians and are equally valuable to wikipedia, you see you dont get paid to do this you know that as well as i do your simply contributing to the website and making the person that is the finder of the wikipedia website have more reliable pages and get richer because of that , its just like donating money to wikipedia but at a higher cost your time, effort and most importantly your life.... the most you will get is awards from those who they feel deserve awards thats funny to me mabey its the fact that im only 13 or actually have a loveable life.....i dont know but im just not up for this ANY MORE im deleting my user name i thought that if i signed up for wikipedia this summer and contribute to the things i love for thrity minutes to one hour and half a day would be a great thing and a accomplishment that i would be proud of....but i am beginning to regret doing that many people told me that “i should not i will get to addicted to the website by doing so″ as you can see i didnt listen i also didnt get addicted i had set a time frame for how much time i did each day and 90 minutes times approximately 60 days and tell me what you get that is how much time i wasted on wikipedia or the more accepted term here donated and volunteered to do and im finished with this shit ......,Grimmjow E6 (talk) 00:50, 4 August 2008 (UTC).(GOOD BYE !!!!!!)

...Wow StardustDragon 01:21, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

Details for Abirama and Charlotte?

Now that these two have released their Zanpakutou, should we give more details about them? It wouldn't be right to include that information in Barragan's section. Tesla has his own section, so these two should as well since we know more than just there names now. Anyway, if someone wants to do this, the Japanese for each of their releases is here:

Abirama's zanpakutō is named Águila (空戦鷲 (アギラ), Agira), Spanish for "eagle," Japanese for "sky battle eagle"). Its release command is "scalp" (頂を削れ, itadaki o kezure).

Charlotte's zanpakutō is named Reina de Rosas (宮廷薔薇園ノ美女王 (レイナ・デ・ロサス), Reina de Rosasu), Spanish for "Queen of Roses," Japanese for "Palace Rose Garden's Beautiful Queen". Its release command is "sparkle" (煌めけ, kirameke).Kangarugh22 (talk) 16:25, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

Looks like someone was making sections while I was writing this up. lol I just pasted the above info into both of them.Kangarugh22 (talk) 16:31, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

Not notable yet. We don't even know what the release states do, or even look like in the latter case. StardustDragon 07:41, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

True but we have enough info on them, for the characters to have their own mini sections. I see people have been adding info to them, and I've been adding the references. ~ Hyakurei (talk) 13:11, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

It doesn't matter. They're still too minor to be on here yet. All we know about Charlotte is that he's a freak and his release form makes him a stripper, and Abirama loves battle and his release form does... something. Size is a factor here, and neither of these guys make the cut yet. The entirety of their importance is summed up in the sentence they are named in Barragan's paragraph. StardustDragon 13:57, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

You sound realy stupid and immature right now “All we know his release form makes him a stripper″ anyway we know they are barragan fraction, the name of their release, their personality and the features of the character, we also know how Charlotte release form looks like and their debut in the series.but yeah size is an issue but i think you should look at other articles that are having the size problem happening now and not going to go through them like this article.Grimmjow E6 (talk) 01:25, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

WP:NPA, his release form DOES make him look like a stripper; I see nothing wrong with pointing this out. And jeez, you're saying I sound stupid... You act like "name of their release" means anything. The point you have failed to address is this: The entirety of their importance is summed up in the sentence they are named in Barragan's paragraph. Copied word for word from my last post. I suggest you read up on Wikipedia policies, find out what makes a character notable for inclusion, and give me a reason why we should devote an entire paragraph to three characters that don't have two sentences worth of importance. Who cares about their release states when we don't know what they do? And Po doesn't even have a release state; his section is literally two paragraphs. Call me "immature" all you like, it still doesn't change the fact that your pitiful attempts at providing notability will never succeed. You didn't understand what this meant with Grimmjow's article and it looks like you haven't improved since then. A real shame, if you ask me. StardustDragon 03:35, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

I dont care about them having a paragraph or even a summary about them I am Merely pointing out that their is more reasons than that you have lead on, you stated that “All we know about Charlotte is that he's a freak and his release form makes him a stripper, and Abirama loves battle and his release form does... something″ i am stating that their is more reasons for them to at least have a section in the article for three of them to share after all isnt this what the section is for? In all i wasnt stateting that the three should have sections but rather giving more reasons to what you and the others have stated and i realy dont see how this[1] makes him look anything near like a stripper....a cross dresser perhaps or a super fabulous superhero right on the mark......,Grimmjow E6 (talk) 04:23, 3 August 2008 (UTC). (And i still dont agree witth Grimmjow and ulquoria getting merged grimmjow more than ulquoria i can point out many reasons he should not)

There is not "more reasons." As I told you time and time again, the entirety of their importance is summed up in the sentence they are named in Barragan's paragraph. That's all. And I'm sure you disagree with Grimmjow's merge, given your name, but your definition of "notability" isn't what the rest of Wikipedia has in mind. StardustDragon 05:50, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

Actually, the term "notability" in a Wikipedia context does not limit article content. The more relevant term is undue weight, which is certainly the case here. The majority of the Fraccion should be cut entirely - nearly all of them are two to three chapter characters, and simply because we can bloat a paragraph with their zanpakuto, release command, and what it does, it doesn't mean we cover them. Meh, I probably should start on cleaning up the Bleach character articles in a similar manner to the Naruto ones. List of Naruto characters is now an FL, a big chunk of the character articles are GAs, and on the whole, the coverage is way better than it is here. As for this list in particular, it probably should be moved to List of Bleach antagonists, include Aizen, Ichimaru, and Tosen in the first section, then the Espada, and maybe some random hollows/arrancar. sephiroth bcr ^(converse) 06:11, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

That sounds good. Maybe just a redirect to Aizen though, because his article is fine as is. The only arrancar other than the Espada/Privaron I can think of that should be in there are Rudobon, Wonderweiss, and the original 5 numeros. What about Dondo, Pesche, and Bawabawa though; should they be moved to Characters or a protagonists list?StardustDragon 06:18, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

Maybe the characters list, I'm not sure whether they classify as protagonists. IceUnshattered (talk) 17:30, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

Well they fought on the side of the protagonists, yeah? StardustDragon 19:40, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

True, but does that automatically make them protagonists? IceUnshattered (talk) 18:53, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

I'd think, considering that they've been in the group of the protagonists for the entire Hueco Mundo arc. However, I don't even think we have a protagonist list, so I vote we just send them to the Characters. StardustDragon 19:09, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

How does this look for a framework? StardustDragon 19:25, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

I like it, but what would we do about previous antagonists, like Grand Fisher, or the Bounts? And are we completely dropping the idea of giving Coolhorn and the others their own mini section? ~ Hyakurei (talk) 21:16, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

Agreed with the needed addition of at least Grand Fisher. Maybe a section to mention Grimmjow's fraccion? Even if it is a section within his own entry. And a section for Barrangan's fraccion may be warranted in a couple of weeks, but not really right now... --GhostStalker(Got a present for ya! | Mission Log) 22:23, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

Oh snap I forgot the bounts. We're dropping Coolhorn and all the other fraccion. Period. I'm iffy about Grand Fisher, too. StardustDragon 05:20, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

If you drop Grimmjow's fraccion, then you should at least add a mention of them to his section... And I think Grand Fisher should stay. --GhostStalker(Got a present for ya! | Mission Log) 05:23, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

Also, what about the characters from the anime? I haven't been watching the latest episodes, but I believe they created another filler arc with new enemies. And I second keeping Grand Fisher. ~ Hyakurei (talk) 13:25, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

Grimmjow's fraccion can stay, since they're not technically Fraccion. I guess Hanza and Kumoi from the anime can go in there. StardustDragon 14:13, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

I'm confused. Grimmjow's fraccion? Since when does he have a fraccion? And didn't he have his own page? ~ Hyakurei (talk) 18:08, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

The first group of arrancar to attack Karakura were basically Grimmjow's fraccion. I just didnt feel like writing out all their names... And yes, Grimmjow did have his own page, but it was merged after a lack of read world notability. --GhostStalker(Got a present for ya! | Mission Log) 18:42, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

Shawlong and co were his fraccion, per se. StardustDragon 00:52, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

Wow, we're merging so many articles. The first group of arrancar? Do you mean when Hitsugaya and the other released their limits? I thought they too were espada...numbers 12 or something... ~ Hyakurei (talk) 01:55, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

No offense, but you just owned yourself. Espada have numbers 1-10. Numeros, regular Arrancar more or less, have 11-99. StardustDragon 02:10, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

Oh, lol. None taken! :D I meant numeros then... ~ Hyakurei (talk) 11:52, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

Oddly, they are the only Numeros ever actually numbered in the series; why Kubo wouldn't just number Iceringer, Demora, and the rest of the Fraccion is beyond me. We could merge them into Grimmjow's section, like we have with the other Fraccion (I know we'll do that with Tesla), but I'm really hung on how to handle that for the most part.

Updated with various fixes and the addition of Bounts that are antagonists. That means no Cain and no Yoshino. StardustDragon 02:40, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

Hollow/Arrancar Powers

Ok here I am again, sorry for being a pain. I realise Wikipedia isn't suited for the uses that I'm using it for. I'm a fan of Bleach looking for detailed info, which has now mostly been removed. I don't know why the list of Hollow was merged with this page... and thus removed the explanation of their powers (Cero, Sonido, etc, etc) Which is really irritating for me as I'd come on and use this to check my spelling of said powers! I'm not asking they be put back, I'm sure there is some guideline somewhere I don't care about (I never edit here, only read and occasionally ask questions in talk pages) but when was the date the merge was made so I can find it easier in the history... so at least I can get the info I want and store it for my own use at least! Not a user: Tort 08:55 09/08/2008 (GMT)

Just to correct myself... it seems it wasn't merged The List just replaced the Hollow page that used to exist. So if anyone could point me to where I can find the info I'm looking for, much appreciated... perhaps I shouldn't try and find things at such odd hours in the morning and get some sleep instead :P Not a User: Tort 09:00 09/08/2008 (GMT) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.20.141.52 (talk)

you can find it here: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Hollow_(Bleach)&diff=227542063&oldid=227533284#Powers twsl ► Talk 15:14, 9 August 2008 (UTC)

Species/Races

Why are the Arrancar listed here? They are a completely different race altogether. If you put the Arrancars here you might as well put the Visoreds with the Soul Reapers. The page is already dedicated to the Arrancar. What happened to the Hollow Page then? Didnt there used to be a list of Hollows? 198.53.130.66 (talk) 17:01, 10 August 2008 (UTC)