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I am very saddened to see that LB feels "used" in my earnest efforts to help him out, and what I thought would be fun, has been soured. Wikipedia is not a forum of maturity, and I think it is best left to kids.[[User:Dr.Oak|Dr.Oak]] ([[User talk:Dr.Oak#top|talk]]) 04:49, 15 August 2008 (UTC) |
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==re: edits to [[Fenwick High School (Oak Park, Illinois)]]== |
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First off, let me welcome you to Wikipedia! I see that this is your first time editing (at least under this user name). |
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*One last word, you removed VB, as a hoax and not notable- I am a medical doctor, and I did not even add myself to the list- what audacity you have to make such a remark and remove a person that is most likely the most notable in attendance. How unjust life is- in an American society that praises superficial celebrity over true substance, I pitty America's youth, and worry when false accusation over truth and justice prevails.[[User:Dr.Oak|Dr.Oak]] ([[User talk:Dr.Oak#top|talk]]) 04:59, 15 August 2008 (UTC) |
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I wanted to come over and personally explain why I recently reverted your edits to this article. |
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:I can't imagine how someone as notable as you say VB is would get no google hits, completely inconceivable for a living person. It is obviously a hoax, I will not respond further. --[[User:Daniel J. Leivick|Leivick]] ([[User talk:Daniel J. Leivick|talk]]) 05:03, 15 August 2008 (UTC) |
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The sources that people provide, you never check, and I have no idea why everyone keeps saying this guy is a hoax. I also don't know why you are fixated on him, you seem not to care about Justin Ryan di Cosola- you seem not to care about the House of Borghese that has zero sources- there seems to be all of these exceptions being made everywhere I look- why would I invest time doing earnest work, or any of the other people as well, but you seem to keep labling always as a hoax. I also don't think that engineers get that much credit in general, the project head usually takes all of the glory- even Ferrari is always said to be designed by 'pinninfarina'- that's just a company name- that's why designers always bail from one company to the next- ugly industry, like hollywood- glamorous only from the outside. Also, do you really think that someone from Fenwick would tolerate a high profile person like that on their page without an alum removing it if it was false, try posting an alum on Exeters cite, alumns check to verify, you can't pull that crap with perp schools, they all know each other[[User:Dr.Oak|Dr.Oak]] ([[User talk:Dr.Oak#top|talk]]) 05:19, 15 August 2008 (UTC) |
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One of the most important policies to Wikipedia is [[WP:V|its policy on verifiability]]. Anything added to an article should be attributable to a third party, neutral, reliable source (see [[WP:RS|Wikipedia's policy on reliable sources]]. Anything that is not attributed is subject to being deleted if challenged. |
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There were also a few edits that you made that, through no fault of yours, unfortunately don't come out right when the editing is completed. For example: adding things like "Midwestern United States" and "Cook County" ... while certainly correct, end up becoming a part of the school's mailing address when presented in the final article. I wish I could change it, but there is no easy way to do so. Also "mascot" refers to the name of a character, while nickname refers to the team's nickname "Friars". |
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== Done == |
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Some of the things you added regarding the school's history were really very good, and I hope you will re-add them, if a source can be found for them. I would be happy to help you format the citations, if you need help with that. |
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I am walking away from helping out- and quite frankly, I think Wikipedia is something that really needs professional checks and balances- it is damaging to truth and professional history writing, and the search engines are cluttered with posting garbage of everyones talk pages when you try to google someone for real information- including VB when you search for him- please do not respond, because quite frankly, these acusations of hoax are beneith me, and the very unjust removal of VB from pages that he deserves to be on is really sad. But you kids don't know the difference, between truth and fiction- its like when celebrities say they are "fashion designers" FYI- P. Diddy is not a fashion designer, he is a no talent fool who is selling his name and having real designers, who get no credit, to do all the work. How insulting it must be to the Armani's and Valentino's of the world. I just love when false accusations become facts, when truly notable people are "nons' and "hoaxes" on Wikipedia, and when group think becomes truth, especially when no one takes the taime to actually look at the sources provided- best of luck to you kid- you'll need it in the real world.[[User:Dr.Oak|Dr.Oak]] ([[User talk:Dr.Oak#top|talk]]) 05:37, 15 August 2008 (UTC) |
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One last thing: This article is currently pending a review with the WikiSchools project folks. I did not do all that much work here (a lot was done before I ever got here), but I think this article is on the verge or receiving a very strong review. I would like to see the article rated well, but that does mean that unattributed material has to be kept to a bare minimum. |
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If you have any questions, please let me know. I wish you the best of luck on your editing. [[User:LonelyBeacon|LonelyBeacon]] ([[User talk:LonelyBeacon|talk]]) 23:27, 6 August 2008 (UTC) |
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I also thought I would roll out the red carpet. There are some links that can lead you to some answers to questions. Again, best of luck! [[User:LonelyBeacon|LonelyBeacon]] ([[User talk:LonelyBeacon|talk]]) 23:31, 6 August 2008 (UTC) |
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::I wanted to update you on a few things: |
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::1. I submitted the article for peer review. This is a normal prerequisite for the article to be bumped up to a GA. I think this article must be so close, that I decided to put in the request. |
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::2. There was something you commented on earlier regarding fees and tuition. If there is something about mandatory (or optional fees) that should probably be added in a separate section. I ran across this when I was working on another article ... an editor who was assessing the article. |
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::3. I added another picture of an alum, but am searching for a picture of Pat Quinn. So far, I can find one on the Illinois government website, but sine it is not a federal website, it is not necessarily in the public domain. I will continue researching this. |
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::The article continues to improve. I think you have done great work. [[User:LonelyBeacon|LonelyBeacon]] ([[User talk:LonelyBeacon|talk]]) 18:33, 7 August 2008 (UTC) |
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===Something to throw out to you=== |
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By wikipedia's definition: any one who attended the school, even if they did not graduate is considered an alumnus (it weird ... it is not how I would necessarily define it). As long as his attendance at the school can be confirmed, it is accepted that the person be considered an alumnus. [[User:LonelyBeacon|LonelyBeacon]] ([[User talk:LonelyBeacon|talk]]) 21:49, 7 August 2008 (UTC) |
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==Blocked== |
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Another obvious sockpuppet of the [[User:Mctrain|Mctrain]]/societyfinalclub group again trying to insert suspect info and claiming "it all checks out". Identical edits and topics. Reviewing admins let me know if there are any questions or take a look at [[User:Barneca/watch/societyfinalclubs]]. --[[User:Daniel J. Leivick|Leivick]] ([[User talk:Daniel J. Leivick|talk]]) 03:40, 15 August 2008 (UTC) |
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* Excuse me sir, your acusations are nothing more than that, and yes, the sourcing on the version I pulled up all checks out, Spretti comes up on a google search, the others are links or books with ISBN's- go check for yourself. I asked you for a rational explantion for why an article that is properly sourced is being reverted, and why I, and I suspect several others, are being blocked for being intellegent.[[User:Dr.Oak|Dr.Oak]] ([[User talk:Dr.Oak#top|talk]]) 03:53, 15 August 2008 (UTC) |
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::You have been blocked for being a sockpuppet of a blocked user. It is not possible that so many accounts would all have identical interests in the Barbaro family, Fenwick High School, Phillips Exeter Academy and in particular, the alleged noble Vitus Barbaro. On Wikipedia identical editing patterns equal identical users. Please post an unblock request if you would like to have the block reviewed by other admins. --[[User:Daniel J. Leivick|Leivick]] ([[User talk:Daniel J. Leivick|talk]]) 04:00, 15 August 2008 (UTC) |
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I don't have an interest in all of those things, I had an interest in Fenwick, which was labled to have people help to improve it- which is what I did. As an alumnus, I had access to help out in ways that others could not, I never edited anything on Exeter, I just saw in the bio that VB went there for summer, so I added his name to the list, then I saw that the Barbaro family page was rather crummy, and I asked LonelyBeacon if we should improve on it as well, but when I saw that there was rather unintellegent reverting going on, I said to myself why should I play this game and be afraid of something that is stupid, I used my brain, and if sources check out, which they did, it should be reverted- that's the smart thing to do. I would also suspect that Fenwick people would be the ones interested in VB, because he went there, there is a bio on him and the family. The overlap is a logical one, it is Fenwick that is the common ground for those other topics. Maybe some kids may have been vandals, but I am not, and the Barbaro family page that you insist on reverting, is the proper article that should exist. I am also not going to post to ask for unblocking because I don't care, I just fooled around with this for the past few days because I was on vaction and had nothing better to do, I only jumped in with the Fenwick page because it was a trip down memory lane- and I knew that I could help out- but I don't have time to be a steady editor on Wikipedia, I just think stupidity is very annoying thats all. I mean come on, you have a crummy Barbaro family page, you have a flag on it to expand the stub, then you attack the people that actually have some connection to the family, via Fenwick, that could help- what do you expect. Also what is such the big deal, you seem to be getting awfully hung up on this topic- I have seen articles about the family that actually attribute the "barbarigo" family to them- how wrong can one get- you take this Wiki stuff way too seriously, no one is going to die over anything posted on Wiki- real encylopedias don't have articls about "Paris Hilton" in them, and like I have even pointed out, the Borghese house one, is completely unsourced, with justin, even if he is related to them, is hardly 'notible'. If you want me to help out, then unblock- I have access to the family bio that is also sourced. If you don't want to unblock, then that's life- I don't know what to tell you. But make a decision now, because I don't have alot of time to help you guys out, just this weekend, and with such a substantial topic like the Barbaro family, it takes time to go over the details. [[User:Dr.Oak|Dr.Oak]] ([[User talk:Dr.Oak#top|talk]]) 04:32, 15 August 2008 (UTC) |
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:I am not going to get dragged into this further. If you think my decision was wrong. Post an unblock request and get some other opinions. If you don't want to do that than I will consider the matter closed. --[[User:Daniel J. Leivick|Leivick]] ([[User talk:Daniel J. Leivick|talk]]) 04:38, 15 August 2008 (UTC) |
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I am very saddened to see that LB feels "used" in my earnest efforts to help him out, and what I thought would be fun, has been soured. Wikipedia is not a forum of maturity, and I think it is best left to kids.[[User:Dr.Oak|Dr.Oak]] ([[User talk:Dr.Oak#top|talk]]) 04:49, 15 August 2008 (UTC) |
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*One last word, you removed VB, as a hoax and not notable- I am a medical doctor, and I did not even add myself to the list- what audacity you have to make such a remark and remove a person that is most likely the most notable in attendance. How unjust life is- in an American society that praises superficial celebrity over true substance, I pitty America's youth, and worry when false accusation over truth and justice prevails.[[User:Dr.Oak|Dr.Oak]] ([[User talk:Dr.Oak#top|talk]]) 04:59, 15 August 2008 (UTC) |
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:I can't imagine how someone as notable as you say Vitus Barbaro is would get no google hits, completely inconceivable for a living person. It is obviously a hoax, I will not respond further. --[[User:Daniel J. Leivick|Leivick]] ([[User talk:Daniel J. Leivick|talk]]) 05:03, 15 August 2008 (UTC) |
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The sources that people provide, you never check, and I have no idea why everyone keeps saying this guy is a hoax. I also don't know why you are fixated on him, you seem not to care about Justin Ryan di Cosola- you seem not to care about the House of Borghese that has zero sources- there seems to be all of these exceptions being made everywhere I look- why would I invest time doing earnest work, or any of the other people as well, but you seem to keep labling always as a hoax. I also don't think that engineers get that much credit in general, the project head usually takes all of the glory- even Ferrari is always said to be designed by 'pinninfarina'- that's just a company name- that's why designers always bail from one company to the next- ugly industry, like hollywood- glamorous only from the outside. Also, do you really think that someone from Fenwick would tolerate a high profile person like that on their page without an alum removing it if it was false, try posting an alum on Exeters cite, alumns check to verify, you can't pull that crap with perp schools, they all know each other[[User:Dr.Oak|Dr.Oak]] ([[User talk:Dr.Oak#top|talk]]) 05:19, 15 August 2008 (UTC) |
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I am very saddened to see that LB feels "used" in my earnest efforts to help him out, and what I thought would be fun, has been soured. Wikipedia is not a forum of maturity, and I think it is best left to kids.Dr.Oak (talk) 04:49, 15 August 2008 (UTC)
- One last word, you removed VB, as a hoax and not notable- I am a medical doctor, and I did not even add myself to the list- what audacity you have to make such a remark and remove a person that is most likely the most notable in attendance. How unjust life is- in an American society that praises superficial celebrity over true substance, I pitty America's youth, and worry when false accusation over truth and justice prevails.Dr.Oak (talk) 04:59, 15 August 2008 (UTC)
- I can't imagine how someone as notable as you say VB is would get no google hits, completely inconceivable for a living person. It is obviously a hoax, I will not respond further. --Leivick (talk) 05:03, 15 August 2008 (UTC)
The sources that people provide, you never check, and I have no idea why everyone keeps saying this guy is a hoax. I also don't know why you are fixated on him, you seem not to care about Justin Ryan di Cosola- you seem not to care about the House of Borghese that has zero sources- there seems to be all of these exceptions being made everywhere I look- why would I invest time doing earnest work, or any of the other people as well, but you seem to keep labling always as a hoax. I also don't think that engineers get that much credit in general, the project head usually takes all of the glory- even Ferrari is always said to be designed by 'pinninfarina'- that's just a company name- that's why designers always bail from one company to the next- ugly industry, like hollywood- glamorous only from the outside. Also, do you really think that someone from Fenwick would tolerate a high profile person like that on their page without an alum removing it if it was false, try posting an alum on Exeters cite, alumns check to verify, you can't pull that crap with perp schools, they all know each otherDr.Oak (talk) 05:19, 15 August 2008 (UTC)
Done
I am walking away from helping out- and quite frankly, I think Wikipedia is something that really needs professional checks and balances- it is damaging to truth and professional history writing, and the search engines are cluttered with posting garbage of everyones talk pages when you try to google someone for real information- including VB when you search for him- please do not respond, because quite frankly, these acusations of hoax are beneith me, and the very unjust removal of VB from pages that he deserves to be on is really sad. But you kids don't know the difference, between truth and fiction- its like when celebrities say they are "fashion designers" FYI- P. Diddy is not a fashion designer, he is a no talent fool who is selling his name and having real designers, who get no credit, to do all the work. How insulting it must be to the Armani's and Valentino's of the world. I just love when false accusations become facts, when truly notable people are "nons' and "hoaxes" on Wikipedia, and when group think becomes truth, especially when no one takes the taime to actually look at the sources provided- best of luck to you kid- you'll need it in the real world.Dr.Oak (talk) 05:37, 15 August 2008 (UTC)