Talk:Jezebel

Biblical references

The text here mentions two women in the Hebrew Bible, but then goes on to cite Jezebel (princess of Tyre and queen of Israel) from 1 Kings, and the seer Jezebel of Thyateira, who is named in the Apocalypse of John (Book of Revelation). Should the text read "...is the name of two women in the Bible."? The rest of the article makes it clear where each person is discussed. Epimetreus 23:08, 23 April 2006 (UTC)

• Unless I'm reading the page incorrectly, there is an inaccuracy here. Jezebel's story is told in 1 Kings, but 1 Kings is not part of the Torah. The word "Torah" is not a synonym for "old testament;" "Torah" refers only to Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, and Deuteronomy. It would be more accurate to say "In the Tanakh" or "In the Hebrew Bible." ~ikeeverett

• • Ok since I haven't heard from anyone I'm going to make the change. ~ikeeverett

good job

Another song reference

Jezebel was referenced in the song Juke Joint Jezebel by KMFDM off the Money album as well

I have another, Poe (the singer) sings "This is Jezebel in hell" in her song Angry Johnny. It is ultimately one of my favorites, and lead me to look up exactly who Jezebel was (leading me to here).--160.81.78.102 01:31, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

real name

It seems likely that the name recorded in the Bible is changed to be a slur. Are there any scholarly guesses as to what her real name was?

which person are you referring to? the one from 1 kings? or the one from revelation? the one from first kings I'm pretty sure is her real name (the old testament is recording history and i do not think they changed her name though I could be wrong.) though don't quote me on that and if you find some evidence please quote it. jittters

I think the derivation (hebrew: not exalted) is questionable and biased toward biblical literalism. Most people put the meaning as "chaste". Remember that the name is not a Hebrew word - Jezebel is Phoenecian, and you tend to see the -bel suffix in words imported from Babylon etc. Also note that literal derivations like "not exalted" or "not acclaimed" tend to be misleading because as a name the word was probably always intended in a more idiomatic sense (chaste, not owned by a man). People tend to forget that the nuances of a word's usage in any period is not immediately obvious. People also tend to have a sense that a literal derivation is like a magic rule book, rather than a guide of variable usefulness. Regarding bias, some historical context is important. Jezebel was queen in Israel in the north, and most of the old testament (certainly Kings) was written in Judah to the south. Israel (which ceased to exist around 700BC) is generally disparaged throughout the old testament: although both were religiously diverse (yes, even according to the bible) the Judahite Kings were more morally upright in enforcing the hebrew religion and exterminating infidels. Additionally, Israel was much wealthier (which is why Assyria wiped it out while paying relatively little attention to Judah). So much of the old testament, including 1Kings, is written after Israel ceased to exist by people with chips on their shoulders. You'd be amazed how many avid bible readers are unaware of this context. The take home point here is that disparaging discussion of Jezebel in the old testament should not be taken as representative of how Jezebel would have been viewed by the people around her. -- snaxalotl 26 july 2007

Jezebel was the daughter of Ittobaal = "Man of Ba'al" or "With Him is Ba'al".... the name Itsa-bel (Jezebel) is very similar to her father's name Itto-baal. ALSO, as is widely known, the historical redactors always HID the presence of "Ba'al theophoric elements", as with the names of Saul's son, Ishbaal -> Ishbosheth. Esh-baal means "Man of Baal'. THUS, Jezebel probably meant something like "Woman of Ba'al", and the theophoric element "Ba'al" was subsequently CENSORED — much like, in the opposite direction, Jews today substitute Adonai or HaShem for the name of YHWH-God.

Popular Culture

I'm not sure the Popular Culture section is all that relevent to an article called "Jezebel (Bible)". The title would imply the depiction in the bible is more important. I propose that the list get a seperate article. If anybody agrees I'll go ahead and do it. Robinoke 23:51, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

"jezebel" is also the name of a song by acid bath off the "when the kite string pops" album.

Why is popular culture popular??

Outkast song Jazzy Belle off ATLiens worth an add?

Requested move

Move due to primary meaning and usage. -Stevertigo 07:45, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

Low Quality

Most of this article is just fluff pop culture references. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.153.4.250 (talk) 07:34, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

I agree, also with the "Popular Culture" comment above by Robinoke. Can't this list of pop culture references, in this article, be shortened to 3 or 4? Maybe the most prominent ones, like Bette Davis' movie character? Z Wylld (talk) 17:30, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

Aren't "trivia" or "pop culture" sections discouraged in Wikipedia? Seems like we should integrate anything relevant into the article itself and get rid of all the "I went to high school with a girl named Jezebel" items. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.124.161.142 (talk) 13:19, 13 May 2008 (UTC)