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Hello and thank you for visiting my talk page. Please know if you are here because of a vandalism report or a speedy deletion report I mean no offense. Feel free to discuss the reason for your edit or page creation on the page you were working on. If you feel you need to discuss it directly with me... well that is what this page is for.

Four pages on Churches and Pastors relevant to Palin's Policies

I am new to Wikipedia and two of these articles were my first, and I contributed sources and made the other two less biased.

1. I recieved a large number of suggestions for improving the articles, and in general reponded with individual messages to each, unless exactly the same point was made by both. I don't understand why this is called Spamming.

2. What is the five day deletion policy?

3. How did all of the diverse information on the four articles, which was growing with a very large number of independent edits all get deleted?

4. Were the sources , sourced as requested by the Chicago Tribune, Atlantic Monthly, New Jersey Times of Trenton, etc., inadequate? What is a major news source

5. A large number of people were making improvements, as requested, and each article was growing with different information. Where did all of the information go?

6. Do you know who broke the links from the Sarah Palin page?

If you have time, you can respond on my talk page. Thanks.EricDiesel (talk) 02:23, 4 September 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for your responses, responses by others are on Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Wasilla Assembly of God. EricDiesel (talk) 17:45, 4 September 2008 (UTC)

matt lee musician

Are the refs I listed for that particular issue better? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Guitaro99 (talk • contribs) 20:02, 4 September 2008 (UTC) Also, I am a published and copyrighted member of The Divine Horsemen. I wrote "My Sin" with Chris D. and arranged everything on "Devil's River". My article cross refs with the Divine Horsemen and means alot to me. I'd like to keep this article and if you let me know what else I can do ,I'll be glad to co-operate. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Guitaro99 (talk • contribs) 20:09, 4 September 2008 (UTC) Hi, Dan Schneider here. Just wondered if you got these?(69.231.50.49 (talk) 17:29, 8 September 2008 (UTC))

Scattershot

Could you create the Scattershot (book) page? I think as a new user I am denied? At least that is what I remember. Not to be ridiculously snooty about this book, but with Oprah and Leonardo DiCaprio circling around it for whatever their reasons are, I think it is safe to say it is at least short term a book of interest. I just want to get the article started so that as I'm learning and later reading about it I can help out. Sincerely, Caverty (talk) 22:50, 4 September 2008 (UTC)

I was hoping some kindly misfit would create the article for me.-Caverty (talk) 23:00, 4 September 2008 (UTC)

Oh, okay. At what point would it be possible to have an article about the upcoming memoir--if at all. It seems like a highly original book about a family afflicted with bipolar disorder that is worth making a fuss about. How does wikipedia's policy weigh in here? Caverty (talk) 23:06, 4 September 2008 (UTC)

I read the WP:BK. It says about 'Not yet published book': "Since Wikipedia is not a crystal ball articles about books that are not yet published are generally discouraged unless multiple independent sources provide strong evidence that the book is widely anticipated and unless the title of the book and its approximate date of publication have been made public." The date of publication is today/tomorrow, and the author is already created anticipation amongst well-known celebrities. You can see in the section 'Why Oprah and Leo DiCaprio are interested in ‘Scattershot’' in the article[1]. That's pretty good, huh? A whole section about the anticipation of the book. I just want to start a collection point where news can go right away and a interesting discussion about this book can have a focal point. Sincerely, Caverty (talk) 23:14, 4 September 2008 (UTC)

I found an interesting solution: I disambiguated the Scattershot page. So brief mention of the book, and eventually that redlink can become the article. Thanks for your help. Sincerely, Caverty (talk) 23:26, 4 September 2008 (UTC)

Pastor David Brickner, Pastor Paul Riley, Pastor Ed Kalnins, Pastor Larry Kroon, and Pastor David Brickner

I think I should have slowed down until I researched and wrote this today, and there would have been not deletion or controversy. Is this an improvement?

Paul Riley should be added to the Religion section of the sarah Palin article. Associated Press reports “Her pastor for most of her time at Wasilla Assembly of God, Paul Riley”. http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5jCeGgS4vbVt6qpxTpahCgGn_R-dQD92VOKVG0

• 1. Paul Riley is NOT notable, as he only appears in the media talking about Palin as far as I know, and notability cannot be inherited. If he becomes controversial, or is the subject of media stories for some other notable thing, only then he should only then get an article.
• 2. The “controversial figure” Ed Kalnins IS notable, since the content of the many media articles in which he is featured regards his controversial remarks. These remarks should NOT be on the Palin page, as there is no information I am aware of that directly links Palin to the controversial remarks. E.G., USA Today reports “The Rev. Ed Kalnins had no way of knowing he'd be a controversial figure in the 2008 presidential race.” http://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/election2008/2008-09-03-palin-pastor_N.htm . So Kalnins should have his own article in which his controversial remarks can be documented, as well as his bio, and any information about him that can be sourced.
• 3. Larry Kroon IS notable. He is in many major media stories linking him as far back as 2004 to the highly controversial Jews for Jesus and David Brickner. The Atlantic Monthly magazine reports this Jews For Jesus pamphlet (PDF) from 2004 that reveals more details about Palin's pastor.” This is a year 2004 association, long predating Palin’s rise from mayor. http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2008/09/palins-pastor-a.html Numerous other news articles report on Kroon, e.g. The Chicago Tribune http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/chi-alaska-palin_monsep01,0,3504940.story . The 2004 stuff is unrelated to Palin, so Kroon should have his own article. It is unclear Palin knew Kroon would be speaking when she recently sat through his sermon.

• Therefore, articles should NOT be created for pastor Paul Riley, but articles SHOULD be created for Ed Kalnins and Larry Kroon. Links from the Sarah Palin article should be established to the Ed Kalnins and Larry Kroon articles, and the controversies should NOT be in the Palin article unless someone meaningfully associates her to the controversies. A link to from Palin’s article to David Brickner or Jews for Jesus should exist, but the ONLY information that should be in Sarah Palin article, unless more information emerges, should be that she attended a Jews for Jesus Fundraiser with the sermon given by David Brickner.
• Wasilla Assembly of God and Wasilla Bible Church should have their own pages, where information reported on them in the media (controversial or not) that is unrelated to Palin can be reported, without tarring other pastors, like Paul Riley, with information on Ed Kalnins or Larry Kroon.

EricDiesel (talk) 16:06, 5 September 2008 (UTC)

astracts

where do i place the original authors names of the abstracts I present as in refence to my new talk page? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Yoyomaster144 (talk • contribs) 21:49, 5 September 2008 (UTC)

Please stop messing with my page. If I want to change my bio or the way the page is organized, it's my choice - not yours. Thanks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Moxnjox (talk • contribs) 23:06, 6 September 2008 (UTC)