Talk:33rd Waffen Grenadier Division of the SS Charlemagne

No german miltary was sent to Galicia, Spain, ever! In Eastern Europe, there is another region called that way.

I've fixed the link. Blorg 18:53, 21 Nov 2004 (UTC)

I remember long ago hearing that the last iron cross was given to one of the French Waffen-SS leaders in Berlin. Anything to that?

This article can surely not be considered NPOV. Examples: "Testimony to the prowess of the LVF came from a Soviet communique which spoke of their forces being stopped by the sacrifice of "two French divisions"." "It tenaciously held its ground, suffering heavy casualties." I could go on, but such language ("prowess" "tenaciously") glorifies the actions of the division. It is not fair however to say that this article simply puts forward one viewpoint. Indeed it oscillates between two - glorification of fascism on the one hand, and apologism for it on the other. I will be checking the details of the books cited as references, their publishing companies etc. I will also be making a complaint about this article. It, like many, in the military history section, are blatantly politicized. Later SF

I, for one, would object from removing words like "prowess", "tenaciously held its ground" etc just because they fought on Hitler side. If you can prove that these descriptions are false, then you can do it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.102.207.196 (talk) 03:49, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

Firstly, (I'm back) this site references Feldgrau.net . This site claims to be non-political. One migth say that it is, in a sense. But when it's "non-politicality" entails a fetishistic interest in the German military, with little or no mention of their involvement in the holocaist and other war crimes, such neutrality becomes suspicious. Indeed, in their forums: "Discussions about the Holocaust are not allowed." This is effectively holocaust denial of a passive variety, given the subject of their "research". These links should be removed from the article. Later, SF

Sorry 'SF' some people are just interested in military history, we can go just about any where else and read about the holocaust. It gets a little old when people want to throw it in the mix of a military discussion, usually just to start a fight. user:Pzg Ratzinger

Oh for Pete's sake calm down. I've viewed this article over the course of its lifetime and I haven't seen anything that could be considered "blatantly politicized". The examples of the language cited above are very minor and have been corrected. Big deal.

As to the forum mentioned, atrocities are frequently discussed and anyone displaying pro-Nazi sentiments is immediately banned from the forum. The Holocaust generally is not to be discussed because, as you well know, chat forums are ripe for abuse.

As to the military unit in this Wiki article, I'm familiar with the subject matter and believe it to be a factual and informative article; I'm very surprised that it only gets a B-. P1340 17:22, 5 November 2006 (UTC)P1340

It is laid out poorly, there is alot of good information and a couple great pictures. However it needs to be in several sections (I created the 'defense of Berlin' part). Also it appear some one added POV language such as 'nazi apologist' in the article. user:Pzg Ratzinger

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I'm concerned that it seems based on the work of Richard Landwehr, who, according to Wikipedia, is a well-known holocaust denier. I also find the prominent role identified for this regiment in the defence of Berlin somewhat dubious, and would like to see more reliable references. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.170.250.195 (talk) 06:51, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

One of the other references, Jean Mabire, is described as "far right" and "working to rehabilitate Nazism" on the discussion page of the french article fr:Jean Mabire. The article has NPOV and EDIT WAR tags. 70.108.220.15 (talk) 17:47, 28 September 2008 (UTC)