User talk:Lycianhittite

January 2009

You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war according to the reverts you have made on Cybele. Note that the three-revert rule prohibits making more than three reversions on a single page within a 24 hour period. Additionally, users who perform a large number of reversions in content disputes may be blocked for edit warring, even if they do not technically violate the three-revert rule. If you continue, you may be blocked from editing. Please do not repeatedly revert edits, but use the talk page to work towards wording and content that gains a consensus among editors. If necessary, pursue dispute resolution. Carl.bunderson (talk) 00:19, 9 January 2009 (UTC)

Hello, unfortunately you're warning the wrong person, because the people who are reverting my edits, do not talk in the discussion pages.

I have endless times written the reasoning behind my changes in the discussion pages and:

a)waited for them to use the discussion page b)pointed the person who is deleting my changes to the discussion page by putting "Relevance-DiscussionPage" in the edit summary box. c)after this didnt work, started using the edit reason box to communicate! with the person who is deleting my changes Lycianhittite (talk) 00:25, 9 January 2009 (UTC)

I don't want to again see edit warring from you on my watchlist. Wait until there is consensus before you revert again. Carl.bunderson (talk) 00:03, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

Hello again, but they are not communicating! Just undoing my additions without any discussion. Could you please warn user El_Greco instead? Thank you.

I'll talk to him, but seriously...stop edit warring. If the addition should be added, it can wait a few days. Carl.bunderson (talk) 00:11, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

Thank you for the understanding.Lycianhittite (talk) 00:15, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

No problem. Could you explain to me why you think Turkish is relevant. I thought Hittites were a very ancient civilization. Modern Turks are a product of Islam, and the Ottoman Empire. Whats the connection with Hittite civilization? It seems that they're just in the same location, geographically. Carl.bunderson (talk) 00:21, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

Modern day Turks(not real Turkics in central asia) are the indigenous population of the region, proven by scientific studies(I will add further info below from a previous discussion-for your info). The indigenous population of the region initially had civilizations like the Hittites, Lydians, Lycians, Phrygians and others that had distinct languages of their own belonging to the anatolian language family.

These populations were later hellenized(especially starting with Alexander the Great) and started speaking Greek. But research has shown that there was very heavy usage of ancient anatolian languages in central anatolia even after 1000 years of hellenization(language shift to greak).

You can kindly refer to [1] the book by one of the most famous byzantine scholars which states that even around 700AD there was massive usage of phrygian, which was a distinct anatolian language with its own alphabet.

Later, in a few hundred years, Turkics have entered anatolia, who were muslims and were speaking Turkish.

They were not very many in number(today ~%10-15 are related to turkics),but their language in time became prominent as well as their religion islam.

Later on, as the islamization of Anatolia went on, the Byzantine empire collapsed and when the Turkish speaking muslim Anatolian Ottoman King/Sultan conquered Constantinople/Istanbul, he was directly related to the Byzantine Royal Family itself!!

All the following ottoman kings as well got married to yet not turkish speaking populations of anatolia, so as some scholars put it concisely, the Byzantine Empire was islamised. A lot of ottoman food,music,traditions were based on byzantine ones.

About 5 centuries later, the modern Anatolian republic was found using the title Turkish, as the majority of the population was speaking turkish. Not because they were related to real Turkics in Central asia.

What does the hittites have to do with modern day Anatolians?

The hittite culture is one of the most prominent cultural sources of modern anatolian culture as proven by many studies.

As a major example, the Anatolian Saz instrument has been proven to be directly related to the hittite stringed instrument of thousands of years ago, and recently depictions of certain feasts, celebrations were found that are of exact match to today's culture.

[2] [3] [4]

Please find below further info from a previous posting of mine:

cultural continuity:

-education: The only university in the WORLD having the name Hittite is in Turkey(Anatolia) [2]

-city symbols: -> Turkey(Current name of Anatolian country) is the only country in the world whose let alone any city, but capital has the hittite sun as its symbol!

-genetics: ->According to scientific studies more than %90 of anatolian turks are indigenous anatolians

-music: -> anatolian saz instrument is a direct continuation of the hittite stringed-musical instruments as proven by hittite pots bearing coloured depictions of the exact instrument being played. [3]

-food ->the food eaten in Anatolia is a direct continuation of the hittite cuisine[4]For reference please read the book titled "Hittite Cuisine" published by Alpha Publishing(08-2008) in Turkey.

-place names -> Adana is a major province of Turkey famous for its Kebabs and according to studies Hittite cuisine contained a strong element of meat skewer(Shish Kebab). The name of the city comes from Hittite beginning of its name Adaniya.

-person names -> Kybele was a prominent ancient anatolian goddess. Her name in Turkish is Sibel and this is a very prominent female name in the central regions of Turkey(corresponding to core hittite areas).

-folk games: -> A lot of games played by children of Anatolians are direct descendant of ancient anatolian games including the hittite ones. For reference research the "Asik Kemigi(Asik Bone)" game which is very popular in anatolia even today. Depictions of the exact game were found from late hittite period near eastern anatolia(turkey)

In conclusion Turks(as Anatolians are now referred to as/not to be confused with real Turkic Central Asians) are direct continuation of ancient anatolian civilzations and they currently pronounce their ancestors' civilizations names in Turkish.For this reason, the name of hittites should be provided in Turkish.

Lycianhittite (talk) 00:48, 10 January 2009 (UTC)