Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/It's Nobody's Fault But Mine

It's Nobody's Fault But Mine

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Unnecessary fork off the main article and most common name "Nobody's Fault but Mine". "It's Nobody's Fault But Mine" was never released as a single and anything that could be said about it, is already discussed in the main article TheClashFan (talk) 05:08, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

• Redirect as plausible search term. (Merge anything not already mentioned in the main article) - Mgm|^(talk) 12:49, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

• The above proposal is not at all accurate: This is not a "fork off the main article": The song is completely different from the Led Zeppelin entry: I have posted the lyrical differences on the discussion page.

• Furthermore: "It's Nobody's Fault But Mine" was released by Columbia Records in the original 1927 recordings of Blind Willie Johnson. It is a delta blues song and is a part of American blues history: It is not a rock song, it is not the same as the Led Zeppelin song "Nobody's Fault But Mine", it is - at best - a possible progenitor for the latter-mentioned song.

• To conclude: Just because the song is "discussed" in the "Nobody's Fault But Mine" article, does not mean that they are one in the same. The two songs are vastly different, and will not merge appropriately.

• Please do not merge or delete the article! If you read the discussion page attached to it, and my above posting: It will be obvious that the two articles, while related, are not at all the same. Mr. McSinister (talk) 19:43, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

• After reviewing the Wikipedia:Deletion policy page I have found no cause for the AfD tag and have removed it. This article does not meet the criteria for content forking, as it is a "related article". —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bwmcmaste (talk bwmcmaste (talk) 20:31, 4 February 2009 (UTC)
  • Please to not remove the AFD tag from the article. Only the closing admin can remove the AFD tag when the discussion is completed. The deletion policy states under "Deletion discussion:" Do not remove the tag from the page. The guide to deletion says the same thing as well as the AFD guideline. MuZemike 23:00, 4 February 2009 (UTC)
• Merge anything worthwhile, then redirect per above- The Zeppelin song was based on this song, and the song only gains notability based off of that, otherwise, it'd be just an obscure blues song from the 20's. Umbralcorax (talk) 21:29, 4 February 2009 (UTC)
• Merge and Redirect for reasons stated above. --Walter Görlitz (talk) 23:34, 4 February 2009 (UTC)
• Delete: WP:CFORK there is very little to merge here. Only one sentence different between the two and that sentence doesn't say anything notable either. JamesBurns (talk) 23:53, 4 February 2009 (UTC)
• That's why it should be contributed to. Is anybody even listening to me here? These songs are not the same: They are related, but are not the same!bwmcmaste (talk) 04:43, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
• Weak keep. The song has a brief description in Johnson's entry in McNeil Encyclopedia of American Gospel Music (Routledge 2005, ISBN 0415941792) which provides a reference to a further article that I can't find a copy of and which may go into more depth. [1] discusses the similarities between this song and the Led Zeppelin song, along with a summary of other sources about those similarities. Page 101 of Govenar & Brakefield Deep Ellum and Central Track: Where the Black and White Worlds of Dallas Converged (U. North Texas 1998 ISBN 1574410512) describes it as one of Johnson's most popular songs. According to google book search there are further references in Carpenter Uncloudy Days: The Gospel Music Encyclopedia, Dixon & Godrich Blues and Gospel Records, 1902-43, Kinkle The Complete Encyclopedia of Popular Music and Jazz, 1900-1950 and two different editions of Cadence: The American Review of Jazz and Blues, however the content of these are not available online so I have been unable to confirm the extent of the references. JulesH (talk) 09:30, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
  • Comment. I'm not sure we benefit from deleting this article, as we will only have to replace it with a disambiguation page: the term is a plausible search term for the Led Zeppelin song, but should also be linked to its original author Blind Willie Johnson. JulesH (talk) 09:34, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
• I would like to refer you all to the discussion page for the article. I have presented the clear differences between the songs. If this article is to be merged with the Led Zepellin version: The person merging it must provide a long description about the Johnson version being the original version, and a further explanation regarding the similarities. bwmcmaste (talk) 19:06, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
• Here is an article arguing the differences between the two songs: http://www.turnmeondeadman.net/Zep/NobodysFaultButMine.php bwmcmaste (talk) 19:08, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
• Delete: nothing has been stated about why the Johnson song is notable. Blues might have a rich tapestry but so does pop music, and not all pop music songs are notable, as this song isn't. JoannaMinogue (talk) 23:34, 5 February 2009 (UTC)