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8 months is not the average armed service in Finland

Far more than half of the conscriptees in Finland serve for 6 months, the minimum term. The other service lengths are 9 and 12 months for officer training; not nearly enough people enter those to drive the average two months from 6. It should be noted that the 8 months as average term claim was disputed by pro-peace organizations and the civil servicemen's union, as it was used as an excuse why a 12 month civil service term would not be punitive in length alone (as the 13-month one was said to be). This matter was a sore spot for Finland's right-wing government at the time, as Finland was on Amnesty's concern list for the treatment of conscription refuseniks: Amnesty's basis for this was that the 13-month alternative term was obviously punitive and thus a sentence of hard time is contrary to human rights. Apologies, but all my sources are either in Finnish or not online. -- 194.187.213.95 (talk) 17:11, 15 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Would it be necessary to write something about Sami people and ILO Convention (No. 169) concerning Indigenous and Tribal Peoples in Independent Countries? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.223.169.153 (talk) 19:49, 14 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

drugged for deportation

The case refers to Ukrainians who had claimed refugee status but were denied and slated for deportation. When the family refused to be deported, the police ordered the police station's doctor to drug the deportees. Polemic ensued when the doctor refused to do so, citing ethical reasons, and the refugee detention center's nurse was pressured by the police to administer the sedatives instead of the doctor. In the end, the police was cleared of any wrongdoing and the court instead fined both the doctor (for failing to his duties) and the nurse (for accepting duties that fall outside of what nurses are allowed to perform).

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 Far more than half of the conscriptees in Finland serve for 6 months, the minimum term. The other service lengths are 9 and 12 months for officer training; not nearly enough people enter those to drive the average two months from 6. It should be noted that the 8 months as average term claim was disputed by pro-peace organizations and the civil servicemen's union, as it was used as an excuse why a 12 month civil service term would not be punitive in length alone (as the 13-month one was said to be). This matter was a sore spot for Finland's right-wing government at the time, as Finland was on Amnesty's concern list for the treatment of conscription refuseniks: Amnesty's basis for this was that the 13-month alternative term was obviously punitive and thus a sentence of hard time is contrary to human rights. Apologies, but all my sources are either in Finnish or not online. -- [[Special:Contributions/194.187.213.95|194.187.213.95]] ([[User talk:194.187.213.95|talk]]) 17:11, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
 :Would it be necessary to write something about Sami people and ILO Convention (No. 169) concerning Indigenous and Tribal Peoples in Independent Countries?  <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/80.223.169.153|80.223.169.153]] ([[User talk:80.223.169.153|talk]]) 19:49, 14 March 2008 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
+==drugged for deportation==
+The case refers to Ukrainians who had claimed refugee status but were denied and slated for deportation. When the family refused to be deported, the police ordered the police station's doctor to drug the deportees. Polemic ensued when the doctor refused to do so, citing ethical reasons, and the refugee detention center's nurse was pressured by the police to administer the sedatives instead of the doctor. In the end, the police was cleared of any wrongdoing and the court instead fined both the doctor (for failing to his duties) and the nurse (for accepting duties that fall outside of what nurses are allowed to perform).