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==Your edits to [[List of best-selling music artists]]== |
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1. You claim that all three members of [[Van Halen]] are of Dutch decent, and I have not objection there. However, artists represent, normally, the country wherein they begin their career, in some cases they do represent two countries. That's when they start somewhere and later move into another country, but that's not the case here. In the same vein, one should refer to the Australian [[AC/DC]]. I will leave this discussion for some other time, my main concern, at the moment is to keep [[List of best-selling music artists]] with reliable source stating logical sales-figures. |
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2. You claim in my talk page "There is no need for 3rd party sources; that is a ridiculous rule that should be removed", well, then I guess you need to familiarize yourself with [[Wikipedia:Reliable sources]]. What's ridiculous, in fact, is the source for The Rolling Stones that you claim is reliable [http://web.abo.fi/~jbacklun/moneymen.htm] as a page like that could be created by anybody. However, I kept [http://www.reuters.com/article/entertainmentNews/idUSL1767761020080117 this source], and I only kept one for the Bee Gees [http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/music/features/jive-talkin-why-robin-gibb-wants-more-respect-for-the-bee-gees-826116.html]. |
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3. If you are going to add [[Oasis]] please don't switch sources as you have done [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_best-selling_music_artists&diff=247603865&oldid=247603183 here]. The source you have located for Oasis is not reliable, so they won't stand a chance with that source. We need another one. The [http://www.theage.com.au/news/world/elvis-set-to-get-all-shook-up-again/2007/08/06/1186252628006.html source] for Elvis Presley, by the way, is reliable. Regards.--[[User:Harout72|Harout72]] ([[User talk:Harout72|talk]]) 18:15, 25 October 2008 (UTC) |
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==Your edits to [[List of best-selling music artists]]== |
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Before you insist on reverting my edits please study where the band [[Van Halen]] was originated: California, USA. And regardless of whether they are of Dutch descent they only represent USA [http://www.billboard.com/bbcom/bio/index.jsp?pid=111958]. |
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In the same vein, [[AC/DC]] regardless of where they were born they represent Australia [http://www.billboard.com/bbcom/bio/index.jsp?pid=3919]. |
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Please do not revert edits without any further discussions, the sources I'm providing above should be enough for you to get convinced that Birthplace does not play a role in representing the countries the bands/artists are founded in. Regards.--[[User:Harout72|Harout72]] ([[User talk:Harout72|talk]]) 16:39, 17 November 2008 (UTC) |
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::Please stop vandalizing the page of [[List of best-selling music artists]]. [[Billboard (magazine)|Billboard]] is a very reliable source. Your calling it irreverent on my talk page proves your persistence in vandalism regardless of how reliable the given sources are. I will repeat just one more time before I take you to [[WP:ANI]] that it does not matter that [[Van Halen]]'s members are of Dutch descent they represent U.S. not Netherlands. |
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::As for [[AC/DC]], well, it looks like you have quite a history even in vandalizing the page of AC/DC[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Suicidal_Lemming&diff=122749152&oldid=122747596] --[[User:Harout72|Harout72]] ([[User talk:Harout72|talk]]) 00:53, 18 November 2008 (UTC) |
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==Your recent edits== |
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Hi there. In case you didn't know, when you add content to [[Wikipedia:Talk page|talk pages]] and Wikipedia pages that have open discussion, you should [[Wikipedia:Signatures|sign your posts]] by typing four [[tilde]]s ( ~~~~ ) at the end of your comment. If you can't type the tilde character, you should click on the signature button [[Image:Signature_icon.png]] located above the edit window. This will automatically insert a signature with your name and the time you posted the comment. This information is useful because other editors will be able to tell who said what, and when. Thank you!<!-- Template:Tilde --> --[[User:SineBot|SineBot]] ([[User talk:SineBot|talk]]) 19:10, 17 November 2008 (UTC) |
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== November 2008 == |
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<div class="user-block"> [[Image:Stop x nuvola with clock.svg|40px|left]] You have been '''[[Wikipedia:Blocking policy|blocked]]''' from editing for {{#if:24 hours|a period of '''24 hours'''|a short time}} in accordance with [[Wikipedia:Blocking policy|Wikipedia's blocking policy]] for engaging in an [[WP:EDITWAR|edit war]]{{#if:List of best-selling music artists| at [[:List of best-selling music artists]]}}. Please be more careful to [[Wikipedia:Talk page guidelines|discuss controversial changes]] or seek [[WP:DR|dispute resolution]] rather than engaging in an [[WP:EW|edit war]]. If you believe this block is unjustified, you may [[Wikipedia:Appealing a block|contest the block]] by adding the text <!-- Copy the text as it appears on your page, not as it appears in this edit area. Do not include the "nowiki" tags. --><nowiki>{{</nowiki>unblock|''your reason here''<nowiki>}}</nowiki><!-- Do not include the "nowiki" tags. --> below. {{#if:true|[[User:Chase me ladies, I'm the Cavalry|Chase me ladies, I'm the Cavalry]] ([[User talk:Chase me ladies, I'm the Cavalry|talk]]) 03:59, 18 November 2008 (UTC)}}</div><!-- Template:uw-ewblock --> |
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I don't understand how you can still be unclear on this, but: you don't get to constantly revert to your version, ignoring what others say on the article's talk page. That you would resume doing so, immediately after being blocked for the same thing, is puzzling. I can't decide whether to block you for a week to make sure you understand this isn't negotiable, or to give you one more warning first. So, I'm opting for the latter. If you revert any musician's nationality without getting consensus on the talk page first, I will block this account again. And now that you've been warned rather than blocked again, the next block will likely be indefinite instead of 1 week. If you can't edit in a '''collaborative''' environment, then Wikipedia is not for you. --[[User:Barneca|barneca]] ([[User talk:Barneca|talk]]) 22:10, 20 November 2008 (UTC) |
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:Also, in case you missed it in the talk page discussions, if you can't come to an agreement on the talk page, there are several [[WP:DR|dispute resolution methods]] you can follow to break the deadlock. But edit warring is not one of them, and is disruptive. --[[User:Barneca|barneca]] ([[User talk:Barneca|talk]]) 22:15, 20 November 2008 (UTC) |
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::To answer your question on my talk page: from looking at [[Talk:Gene Simmons]], there seem to be multiple people who disagree with you. Since the entire point of collaborative editing is consensus and discussion, there comes a time when you have to say "OK, I lost that argument. I still think they're wrong, but I'm going to move on." I would say the solution at that particular page is to try to get a compromise wording agreed to by multiple people on the talk page '''before adding it to the article'''. If you drop the "I'm right you're all wrong" attitude, you'll probably find some people there willing to make a compromise of some kind. If not, then no one is going to budge. If you can't come to an agreement, then like I said, you can look into various options at [[WP:DR]]. If those look too time-consuming, then you have to drop it and move on. --[[User:Barneca|barneca]] ([[User talk:Barneca|talk]]) 23:04, 20 November 2008 (UTC) |
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==Your recent edits== |
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Hi there. In case you didn't know, when you add content to [[Wikipedia:Talk page|talk pages]] and Wikipedia pages that have open discussion, you should [[Wikipedia:Signatures|sign your posts]] by typing four [[tilde]]s ( ~~~~ ) at the end of your comment. If you can't type the tilde character, you should click on the signature button [[Image:Signature_icon.png]] located above the edit window. This will automatically insert a signature with your name and the time you posted the comment. This information is useful because other editors will be able to tell who said what, and when. Thank you!<!-- Template:Tilde --> --[[User:SineBot|SineBot]] ([[User talk:SineBot|talk]]) 22:56, 20 November 2008 (UTC) |
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==Your recent edits to [[List of best-selling music artists]]== |
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Your edits have been reverted due to replacing very reliable sources with unreliable ones. Please refrain from making such alterations to the article that has been well maintained for over a year. Repeated alterations of similar nature without discussions will constitute vandalism to the article and will be treated as such.--[[User:Harout72|Harout72]] ([[User talk:Harout72|talk]]) 06:37, 18 January 2009 (UTC) |
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==Muse== |
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Good Lord, I never thought someone so deluded could possibly be so bloody self-righteous. |
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Your opinion that Matt Bellamy's solos are impressive (yes, OPINION, not 'undeniable logic' or whatever you tried to tart your opinion up as) is very much that. I'm not particularly skilled at guitar, but I went through a few Muse tabs [the things I do to prove a point... :P] and had absolutely no trouble at all with them. The entirety of Knights of Cydonia was Grade 3 alternate picking... and the rest of the solos (in particular Invincible) consisted largely of simple two-finger tapping (and some whammy bar wankery). I haven't seen a single respectable source (i.e. that isn't some teenybopper magazine or a fanboy/girl raving about their latest charting album) which rates Bellamy's playing skills at anything beyond average. |
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Many of your claims are laughable. You're not even backing them up, you're just making incorrect and unresearched generalizations in the hope that they will boost your argument. You can insult me as much as you like, but you can't pass off your opinion that Bellamy's solos are anything better than bog standard as the general view. |
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Matt Bellamy is heavily influenced by Tom Morello. In several interviews, he's proclaimed his love for Rage. You've obviously never picked up a guitar before, as everything you hear and learn comes out in your playing, especially if you're improvising. Thus, it is completely natural that Bellamy's guitar playing should sound like his biggest influence. |
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Rage Against the Machine, although I'm not exactly a massive fan, are far more original and compelling to listen to than Muse. Muse have merely added themselves to the long list of pop-rock bands which sprouted in the nineties, whereas Rage successfully fused two genres which as a combination was relatively unexplored, and created a sound that was quite unique. Muse have done anything but explore new grounds. |
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Although Bellamy might use a different tone to Morello, his techniques are almost identical, in that he makes up for his lack of technique with things that will sound or look impressive to their target audience (stoned Communists in Rage's case and the top 40 in Muse's), i.e. finger tapping and messing around with your whammy bar. As someone who is quite obviously a non-guitarist, this might be difficult to understand for you, but Matt Bellamy and Tom Morello used the same techniques to look impressive, and they also dance around pentatonic scales in their riffs and fifth chords during their verses. Very very similar. |
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I'm not sure why you're quite so offended that I compared Muse with Rage... it's not as if I said they were like the Killers or anything. I suppose Rage are far beneath a master of sweeping and unfounded generalizations such as yourself. |
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"The fact that most of the criticisms you aim at Muse apply to RATM strengthens my argument considerably. You are clearly a fool." |
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Why? You're just saying things and inventing facts without backing them up... |
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To summarise the first half of your rant: "Your opinion differs from mine and for some reason I take great comfort in the thought that Muse are some sort of musical power, therefore you are ignorant." |
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Kurt Cobain is a bloody non-talent. Every single one of his songs is identical, his solos are embarrassing and his lyrics stereotypical OTT teenage angst. At least Bellamy is average, Cobain was not even close. |
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My question DOES still stand, because all you've done is repeat your opinion as if it were some backed-up fact. You can go on about how amazing you think Bellamy's voice and stage persona is until the cows come home, that's a matter of taste. To be honest, in MY opinion, flinging yourself around the stage and singing a falsetto is something that was already long mastered thirty years ago by Jimi Hendrix and Jon Anderson respectively. The only thing we can settle as fact is technical skill, and Bellamy has average skill on the guitar (he doesn't play particularly fast or with any difficult or novel techniques) and reasonable skill on the piano (though he's not exactly Keith Emerson...), so we can conclude that Bellamy is nothing very special. For what it's worth, I agree with you on Thom Yorke's voice though... |
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Some Muse songs are classed as prog rock? I've also seen Led Zeppelin, Boston and even bloody Journey classed as prog rock. Go figure. The fact that half of your argument seems to be based around how they are classified says a lot. My sister's Take That album, according to her computer, is also rock. General classifications aren't always, maybe even usually aren't, correct. Add to this the factor of how the band want to be thought of. They could probably classify themselves as electronic rock and the fans would follow. |
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I think claiming any sort of credit for being able to play the sort of thing most novice guitarists can play is pretty arrogant. He's not quite comparing himself with Jesus, but still... From what I've seen, most famous musicians are pretty modest, at least openly. Granted, you're gonna get the odd prick like Lennon or Yngwie Malmsteen or the guy from Disturbed (I forget his name...), but as with most people, I think they're all pretty decent. |
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The way you preach Bellamy's talent reminds me of a no-nonsense evangelist. "Follow Jesus or be damned, fool...". Most of this belief is based entirely on personal faith or opinion, without any real evidence or logic behind it, and so those who disagree cannot really argue with them, as they have no basis for their arguments, save personal preference. Fair enough if you think he's great or enjoy his guitar work, but I must disagree with you saying he is a virtuoso. He really hasn't searched any new grounds or done anything special with his guitar or piano work, nor have I found any evidence for him being particularly skilled at any guitar technique (if I can play his solos first attempt then they're really not very difficult...). |
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I'm not quite sure what your point about Clapton and Hendrix's modesty proves, as Bellamy (from what I've seen) is anything but. If Muse have received any critical acclaim from worthy sources it is because this has been a particularly dry decade in terms of real talent, unless you count Avril Lavigne, and seeing as you seem to enjoy your place up on your musical high-horse, I assume you don't. |
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Microsoft Word tells me that in your last paragraph you spent 528 words insulting my person. I think it is time to get off your high horse, and realise that you are not the musical genius you believe yourself to be. For a start, attempting to patronising me by calling me ‘fool’ or ‘ignorant’ when you yourself are just stating your opinion and acting like it is a stone-set order of God is quite funny. Allow me to reassure you that I know plenty about music, possibly more than you, I don’t know so I’m not going to judge. Perhaps it is the mark of a true music expert to make statements along the lines of “You don’t like my favourite guitarist therefore you are a cretin”. |
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It is no shame to be a pop-rock band, but you seem to have taken offence to it for some reason. It seems that I touched a nerve by claiming that your arrogant hero is something less than this seemingly haughty title of ‘progressive rocker’ that you take such great pride in. You have failed to back up your opinion with evidence, merely stating that “Matt Bellamy’s solos are very difficult” over and over again as if that made it true. You then write a ridiculously long passage insulting me for good measure. (But apparently, it’s me who is making myself look like a tit). Maybe you should learn something about the guitar before you next claim to be a “musically knowledgeable person” again. |
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I conclude that you are some kind of music snob, who believes that looking down on genres he does not believe are as good as his own with his holier-than-thou manner makes him better in some way. I would advise you to get over yourself before you bother spamming my page with fanboy rhetoric again, which, for some reason, you continue to deliver in such haughty tones. [[User:PloKoon13|PloKoon13]] ([[User talk:PloKoon13|talk]]) 21:14, 1 February 2009 (UTC) |
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== Bee Gees == |
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Like I told another user, don't change the Bee Gees' nationality from Australia to United Kingdom. The Bee Gees began their career in Australia. Wanna be [[Wikipedia:Blocking policy|blocked]]? If not, then don't do it again. [[User:Marcus2|Marcus2]] ([[User talk:Marcus2|talk]]) 17:05, 12 May 2009 (UTC) |
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