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==Topic ban==
==Topic ban==
Why please am I topic banned? What is the cause and the objective? I wish to appeal it. [[User:Kittybrewster|Kittybrewster ]] [[User_talk:Kittybrewster|<font color="0000FF">&#9742;</font>]] 20:27, 31 May 2009 (UTC)
Why please am I topic banned? What is the cause and the objective? I wish to appeal it. [[User:Kittybrewster|Kittybrewster ]] [[User_talk:Kittybrewster|<font color="0000FF">&#9742;</font>]] 20:27, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

==Seeking help in presenting thoughts clearly==
I write to ask for prospective help. In a sense, I'm only interested laying the foundation for the I-don't-know-what in the future. Perhaps this may be construed as taking steps to avert problems might be mitigated by a timely comment or suggestion ...?

===ArbCom remedy===
Voting is underway at [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration/Tang_Dynasty/Proposed_decision&oldid=293728025 Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Tang Dynasty/Proposed decision]. In part because of [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration/Tang_Dynasty/Evidence&oldid=291971704#Evidence_presented_by_Caspian_blue "Evidence presented by Caspian blue"], the [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration/Tang_Dynasty/Proposed_decision&oldid=293380244#Locus_of_dispute locus of dispute] was modified and "evidence in the case has expanded to include other disputes in which Tenmei has been involved." You will be surprised to learn that [[User:Tznkai|Tznkai]] has anything at all to do with this so-called "evidence" at [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration/Tang_Dynasty/Evidence&oldid=291971704#Tenmei.27s_wikihounding_and_trolling "Tenmei's wikihounding and trolling"]. I don't think this timeless prose is worth struggling to read, but I mention the links to explain a bit more of the reasons why I'm reaching out to you.

ArbCom findings of fact included:
* [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration/Tang_Dynasty/Proposed_decision&oldid=293380244#Tenmei_and_dispute_resolution 3.2.2 Tenmei and dispute resolution]. "... many of Tenmei's talkpage posts and submissions during this arbitration case have been very difficult for other editors to understand, to the point that experienced participants in dispute resolution have had difficulty in following them, despite what we accept as Tenmei's good-faith best efforts to assist us in resolving the case."

ArbCom remedies included:
* [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration/Tang_Dynasty/Proposed_decision&oldid=293380244#Tenmei_and_dispute_resolution_2 3.3.2 Tenmei and dispute resolution]: "Should Tenmei become involved in any further disputes with other editors, whether concerning the content of articles (beyond ordinary day-to-day editing issues) or more formal dispute resolution procedures, he shall seek the assistance of a volunteer mentor or adviser to work with him in maximizing the value of his presentation by assisting him with formulating it in a clear and civil fashion."

* [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration/Tang_Dynasty/Proposed_decision&oldid=293380244#Editors_advised 3.3.3 Editors advised]: "Editors who encounter difficulties in communicating with others on-wiki are advised to seek help from others in presenting their thoughts clearly, particularly when disputes arise or when dispute resolution is sought."

It is clear that ArbCom anticipates future difficulties; and I guess I need to do the same. Arguably, my previous postings on your talk page are congruent with exactly the sort of thing ArbCom wants me to do in future; however, I note with regret that [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Georgewilliamherbert&diff=287526508&oldid=287452069 "How to disagree without being disagreeable"] at [[User talk:Georgewilliamherbert]] is cited several times by [[User:Caspian blue|Caspian blue]] as evidence of harassment?

If you want to discuss this off-wiki, feel free to contact me at tenmei1781@gmail.com. -- [[User:Tenmei|Tenmei]] ([[User talk:Tenmei|talk]]) 17:21, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

Revision as of 18:18, 1 June 2009

Topic ban

Why please am I topic banned? What is the cause and the objective? I wish to appeal it. Kittybrewster 20:27, 31 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Seeking help in presenting thoughts clearly

I write to ask for prospective help. In a sense, I'm only interested laying the foundation for the I-don't-know-what in the future. Perhaps this may be construed as taking steps to avert problems might be mitigated by a timely comment or suggestion ...?

ArbCom remedy

Voting is underway at Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Tang Dynasty/Proposed decision. In part because of "Evidence presented by Caspian blue", the locus of dispute was modified and "evidence in the case has expanded to include other disputes in which Tenmei has been involved." You will be surprised to learn that Tznkai has anything at all to do with this so-called "evidence" at "Tenmei's wikihounding and trolling". I don't think this timeless prose is worth struggling to read, but I mention the links to explain a bit more of the reasons why I'm reaching out to you.

ArbCom findings of fact included:

  • 3.2.2 Tenmei and dispute resolution. "... many of Tenmei's talkpage posts and submissions during this arbitration case have been very difficult for other editors to understand, to the point that experienced participants in dispute resolution have had difficulty in following them, despite what we accept as Tenmei's good-faith best efforts to assist us in resolving the case."

ArbCom remedies included:

  • 3.3.2 Tenmei and dispute resolution: "Should Tenmei become involved in any further disputes with other editors, whether concerning the content of articles (beyond ordinary day-to-day editing issues) or more formal dispute resolution procedures, he shall seek the assistance of a volunteer mentor or adviser to work with him in maximizing the value of his presentation by assisting him with formulating it in a clear and civil fashion."
  • 3.3.3 Editors advised: "Editors who encounter difficulties in communicating with others on-wiki are advised to seek help from others in presenting their thoughts clearly, particularly when disputes arise or when dispute resolution is sought."

It is clear that ArbCom anticipates future difficulties; and I guess I need to do the same. Arguably, my previous postings on your talk page are congruent with exactly the sort of thing ArbCom wants me to do in future; however, I note with regret that "How to disagree without being disagreeable" at User talk:Georgewilliamherbert is cited several times by Caspian blue as evidence of harassment?

If you want to discuss this off-wiki, feel free to contact me at tenmei1781@gmail.com. -- Tenmei (talk) 17:21, 1 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]