Talk:Cardcaptor Sakura

'Characters and Cards' Section

I was just looking over the page, and noticed this section listing off all of the cards. Is this list really necessary? The cards have their own page; they don't need to be listed off here too, and to have a long list like this really detracts from the rest of the page in which each section is moderately well organized and presents a definite purpose. I suggest this section either be revised so that it serves a useful purpose, or else be deleted altogether. -3loodlust (talk) 16:29, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

Fixed -- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 10:49, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

You say that each of the cards have their own page and that the list isn't necessary, yet it seems as if all the card pages and the clow cards are now all being redirected back to this main article? It might just be me, but I can't find a list of them or any of the card pages anymore. 24.186.53.14 (talk) —Preceding undated comment was added at 04:03, 10 January 2009 (UTC).

No one said the cards have their own page; because the cards were never notable. There was a list of all the clow cards, however the list was nothing but a repeat of all the plot summary from the episode/chapter lists along with some WP:OR. As such it was deleted via AfD and redirected back here because it is unnotable and excessive fictional detail. What is necessary to know about the cards is already adequately covered in their roles in the chapter and episode lists. -- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 04:09, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

I suppose when I first recommended this section deletion, I mentioned the then-existent list; I'm sure that's what started all this. I must agree, however, that such a page was unnecessary as the cards are hardly a broad or important enough topic to allow for an entire page describing them. As Collectonian said, most of the information on that list was already in the episode/chapter lists. Though it might be possible to add a paragraph or so on the cards--not a list of them, but perhaps some basic information such as their organizational structure (ie. Light and Dark are the most closely connected to Yue and Cerberus, attack cards are more powerful than docile ones, etc.), and perhaps even mention some of their reproductions, on the main page. I'm sure I could find citable information if anyone really wants the cards included, but an entire page devoted to the cards just isn’t pratical. -3loodlust (talk) 02:31, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

The cards used to have their own page, but that page is now gone. However, the information on that page was not included in this page, and this page still has multiple links to the deleted page. There is now no listing of the cards anywhere on the site. Could somebody please restore the old page, at least until the core information from it (the names of the cards) is incorporated into this page? Removing information from Wikipedia altogether is frowned upon, I believe... 76.10.156.151 (talk) 00:57, 12 January 2009 (UTC)

No as there is nothing from that page that needs to be incorporated here at all. The list of card names is trivial and irrelevant to the main page. As has already been noted, noting a card was captured goes in the episode and chapter summaries only. Meanwhile, I will go back and make sure the links have been removed. -- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 01:35, 12 January 2009 (UTC)

Recent Edits

Nice job with the clean-up, Collectonian, the 'plot' section now moves in a much more logical order, and certainly its nice to have an addition of information that's not in-universe for once. It still needs some work (with which i hope I can be more useful than I've been as of late), but this is a major improvement. I think there may be a few spots in need of revision, though. The most obvious of which is in paragraph 6 of the plot summary where it says that the only cards wafting to be changed were Light and Dark. After Eriol reveals himself, he also battles Sakura to force her to transform the Shield and Watery cards as well before she transforms the last pair. Also, there's something about the description of Cerberus and Yue's power at the end of the third paragraph of the plot that seems slightly off. I don't believe that Yue draws all of his power from Sakura, but merely needs her support in addition to the power he draws from the moon. I may well be in error, however; I'll check my translations to be sure, and I'll look up the final transformations in the manga to be certain there as well before I make any corrections. :) -3loodlust (talk) 00:20, 9 January 2009 (UTC)

Thanks. I wrote all of it from memory, so need to reread as well to correct any error in memory (or me confusing manga and anime). I plan to do that anyway to work on the chapter list after I finish some of the other stuff I'm working on (getting spread to thin), as well as finishing redoing the other sections to get them in proper shape with like actual references and all *grin* Also need to work on getting a production section and a real reception section rather than one uncited line we have now. :-P BTW, you changed the manga card count from 18 to 19. Do you have a source for that? I did a list from the manga awhile back and it was 18:

1. Windy
2. Wood
3. Jump
4. Fly
5. Watery
6. Illusion
7. Flower
8. Sword
9. Shadow
10. Mirror
11. Shield
12. Maze
13. Erase
14. Glow
15. Dark
16. Light
17. Firey
18. Earthy

-- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 01:36, 9 January 2009 (UTC)

I looked over everything, and as it turns out Cerberus's comment about his and Yue's power isn't quite what either of us thought. He says that his power is enough on its own; it replenishes itself without needing any extra help, but Yue needs someone else to help support him in order to generate the same power. It's not so much that either of them draw power from the sun or moon, but that both of them are like their celestial affiliation in that Cerberus can generate his own energies, but Yue needs an amount of someone else's power first before he generate energies to sustain himself. The cards are thankfully much easier. There are 19, the 19th is 'Thunder', though I couldn't count them all off the top my head either. The reason I knew there was 19 was that Sakura says so in the second chapter of volume 11. -3loodlust (talk) 02:39, 9 January 2009 (UTC)

Ah, I think its in the anime that Cerberus says they draw their power from the sun/moon (but also needs checking). Oh....DUH on Thunder. Big lightening dog :P -- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 02:53, 9 January 2009 (UTC)

I'll tweak it a bit so works better. I thought there was some other connection to the sun and moon too, but it apparently doesn't play a part here. -3loodlust (talk) 03:03, 9 January 2009 (UTC)

Merging the audio

Hi,

I'm willing to do the merging of the audio part. Now the question is the modalities of that merge.
For the formating proposing to do it in a condensed way, killing the tracks lists and the albums infobox in the process.
For references i'm proposing a 3 references-fuu : 1 to prove existence & release date, 1 to prove the chart peak rank & 1 to prove content/details like lyrics writer, music score writer or arrangement maker.
The consequence is an explosion of the number of references/sources. My last count was around 60.
For sub-section i'm proposing the fellowing one :

• Season one albums & singles (2 albums + 2 singles)
  
• Season two album & singles (1 albums + 2 singles)
  
• Season three album & singles (1 albums + 2 singles)
  
• Movies albums & singles (3 albums + 2 singles)
  
• Vocal albums & singles (3 albums + 6 singles)
  
• Drama albums (2 albums)
  

Feel free to give your opinion, we are not in hurry.KrebMarkt 19:50, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

Agreed on track lists and infoboxes being axed. I'm not sure if subsections are needed, but will wait to see how it looks when done. 60 refs? Yay! :P -- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 19:57, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

Few things, you can have a look on how i wish to handle it CardCaptor Audio section draft. I haven't finished it yet and you already know that English isn't my native language so don't whack me to hard ;)

Thanks to the showers of references we have plenty of information But a limited frame as there are concerns on readability, clarity and overall balance of the final article to take account.

I list here the various informations that must or can be integrated in the final version :

• Names & Release Date : Mandatory
• Oricon peak rank : Mandatory when available
• Performers : Mandatory for singles.
• Number of tracks : optional album only
• Disc length : optional (pointless IMO)
• Catalog Number : optional
• Lyrics : optional/mandatory
• Writing & Arrangement : optional

My big personal issue is to balance the quantity of prose and the quantity of references. KrebMarkt 20:41, 6 February 2009 (UTC)

Quick scanning, my first note would be to make sure to use m d, y for date, not d m, y :-) Other than that, so far its looking quite nice. Will probably tweak the headers later, but that's a minor thing. You know...I just realized the article is totally missing info on the films beyond a note in the plot section! I'll try to fix that this weekend. -- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 20:52, 6 February 2009 (UTC)

Ok. For the dates, i will stick with the rest of the article m d, y but d m y can also work in other article per MoS Date. The essential is to have the same way to put a date in the article. KrebMarkt 21:19, 6 February 2009 (UTC)

That is true, but md, y is the preferred date format for WP:ANIME - have a look at this discussion. 「ダイノガイ千？！」^{(Dinoguy1000)} 16:48, 7 February 2009 (UTC)

Draft done : CardCaptor Audio section draft

The most painful part are the first movie album with Chinese track titles, The insane long album title Christmas Concert by the Choir of Tomoeda Elementary School and the drama albums that i could develop more but refrained due to size matter KrebMarkt 19:56, 7 February 2009 (UTC)

Undid revision 270424562

My keybord lapsed when i was wrinting why i undid rev 270424562
Ext link to COPYVIO content & a try to get around the image fair use limitation of the characters list.
--KrebMarkt 13:49, 13 February 2009 (UTC)

new series

I've heard from people that a new tv series will be released soon in the future. If this is true then why not add a section of speculation? Mostly blogs have been at it. Could we do add it? SonGoku786^{(talk • contribs)} 20:24, 21 April 2009 (UTC)

Write nothing that was not relayed by Reliable sources most likely ANN in that case. Speculations don't suit well with something that want to be encyclopedic :( So if any Reliable Sources assert those rumors, it will be very carefully added to the media->anime sub-section. --KrebMarkt 20:33, 21 April 2009 (UTC)

No, as it is nothing but rumors (and very likely pure wishing if anything). If it isn't noted by actual reliable sources, its not anything to mention anywhere. -- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 20:58, 21 April 2009 (UTC)

Tags

There have been tags on this page for quite some time but no discussion has been brought up about how to fix them. Perhaps we should start by discussing the reasons for why such tags are in place. I believe we should remove the reference and intro tags as there are plenty of references on the page and the intro seems to follow the guidelines. AjaaniSherisu (talk) 07:59, 24 May 2009 (UTC)

A discussion is not required when basic tags are put on an article. As for why the tags are in place, no there are not enough references, not by a long shot. There are only 11, most of which just reference specific item releases. The intro is not following current guidelines, per WP:LEAD and WP:MOS-AM. The neutrality's tag addition was discussed, but it may be in the archives now. The clean up is do to numerous MoS issues. See also the big to do box at the top of this page, which spells out some of the work needed. -- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 08:14, 24 May 2009 (UTC)

"This article or section has multiple issues. Please help improve the article or discuss these issues on the talk page." It doesn't matter whether or not the tags are basic, it's common sense to discuss problems with the article in order to fix them as people aren't mind readers. I added some more references to the games but this article is pretty small compared to many others so there is a reason the lower amount of references than normal. AjaaniSherisu (talk) 08:42, 24 May 2009 (UTC)

Blu-Ray release

Genon is releasing CCS on Blu-Ray. Link here (page is Japanese). 69.209.103.50 (talk) 23:19, 16 August 2009 (UTC)