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==THE GREAT FAILURE OF WIKIPEDIA (by Jason Scott)==
'''Welcome!'''


I have now tried extended interaction with Wikipedia. I consider it a failure. In doing so, I will describe why, instead of just slinking off into the night on my projects. Maybe it will do some good. Maybe it will not. I’m sure, at the end of the day, there must be hundreds like me at this point. Burned, slapped, ejected from the mothership for not following the rules, no matter how intricate and foolish. Let me at least go with some smoke.
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The concept of Wikipedia is a very engaging and exciting one, especially to someone like myself who spends an awful lot of time collecting information and then presenting it to people. Normally, the work I do is the work that’s done. That is, if I don’t give much attention to a specific section of my sites, that section will stay static, even if it’s in need of improvement. This is not very enjoyable. In collaboration, you will put your tools down for the night, and when you wake up the next morning, more work is done. This is very exciting, very enjoyable. It’s why people work in teams in the first place.
== [[User talk:71.12.13.137]] ==


Within the social spectrum of information specialists, I am best classifyable as a moody loner. I don’t work well with others, at least, that is, people who I don’t like. Which is a lot of people. As a result, the vast majority of my sites are one-man operations, meaning that the firehose of my concentration goes from one site to another, giving it some sort of monsoon season of attention and update before firing in another direction. This means that some are truly ghost towns for months at a time. With the additional strike of my documentary, my time is almost completely eaten up, and so the other sites have been suffering.
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The idea of Wikipedia, on its face, is really neat. A bunch of people can work on an entry in a huge, growing encyclopedia, its subject matter gaining far and wide, and deep, into the whole of human knowledge. Pretty cool stuff to hear about, as you browse the outside of it. You click on some of the more complete entries, and really, you just say to yourself “wow, such a great thing is man” and so on. Maybe you wave a little flag with a logo on it. Wikipedia’s watchword is entirely collaboration. With a few exceptions, anyone can modify anything in any way, and anyone can undo their modifications, with a full tracking of the history of edits and methods included to keep track of these changes. Exciting stuff.
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I had run into people who spoke of Wikipedia in a near-fanatical aspect, of how all these hands were forming these great and beautiful entries, and that it was just a matter of running along and having a great time making the whole project better. Naturally, I regarded this with suspicion and hopeful interest. I’m always interested in people doing stuff tangental to the work I do, but I always wonder if it will turn out my work has been for naught, or if in fact I’m still doing something unique and the efforts being expended on the other project are unrelated.
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On the other hand, it is an awful lot of work tracking down the history of America Online or John Paul Aleshe or any of the other subjects I am always researching, and a bunch more hands kicking in would be fantastic. So I bought in, for a little while. Signed myself up and started some work.
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I should pause for a moment, before I continue further. If you work on Wikipedia, I’m just going to make you angry. What I am doing is trying to stop people from working on Wikipedia with the idea that they’re accomplishing good. I am quite convinced, from the outside, over here, that no amount of suggestions from a lone voice will have any effect. Mobs don’t listen. So please, traipse happily back to Wikipedia and get cracking; someone is not eschewing a NPOV, even as you read this. Go! Go!
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Note, also, that in what I’m writing about, I’m not speaking about the concept of a “Wiki”, or indicating that a collaborative tool such as Wiki software is a failure. Confined with a number of limitations on who does what in the context of undoing work, it can certainly work. It’s just software, after all. it’s the implementation that’s the sticking point.
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To understand Wikipedia, it helps to understand the Usenet FAQ and its unique place in history.
When using them, please [[WP:SUBST|substitute them]]. You may want to try them in the [[WP:SAND|sandbox]]. If a user vandalizes after a last warning, please report him/here [[WP:AIV|here]]. Also, please do not edit warnings left by bots. Thanks. [[User:JetLover|JetLover]] ([[User talk:JetLover|talk]]) ([[User:JetLover/False reverts|Report a mistake]]) 05:01, 18 January 2008 (UTC)
==AfD nomination of [[Clemson University football recruiting scandal]]==
[[Image:Nuvola apps important.svg|left|48px|]]An editor has nominated [[Clemson University football recruiting scandal]], an article on which you have worked or that you created, for [[Wikipedia:Deletion process|deletion]]. We appreciate your contributions, but the nominator doesn't believe that the article satisfies Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion and has explained why in his/her nomination (see also "[[WP:NOT|What Wikipedia is not]]").


The Usenet FAQ was (and is) to me, one of the true great advantages and creations of the Internet age. Previously, it had always been the case that the same 5 or 10 questions plagued a subgroup, cultural icon, hobby or occupation. These questions, while quite valid, quite reasonable, would be asked so many times that it would eventually be the case that no-one was willing to step up for the thousandth time and explain them. This led, inevitably, to speculation, wrong information and misquoting that would come back to bite everyone later. For no good reason! But the Frequently Asked Questions list fixed that. It allowed all the common questions to be answered, and even for the common controversies to be addressed even if no firm conclusion had been reached. These things grew like crazy in the 1980s and there’s massive collections of them out there, still with good information (as long as its a general subject, and not a pop star or the like), and the work of many people coming together to build something good. Like Wikipedia is supposed to be.
Your opinions on whether the article meets inclusion criteria and what should be done with the article are welcome; please participate in the discussion by adding your comments at {{#if:Clemson University football recruiting scandal | [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Clemson University football recruiting scandal]] | [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Clemson University football recruiting scandal]] }} and please be sure to [[WP:SIG|sign your comments]] with four tildes (<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>).


I would attest that the reason for the success of the FAQ was a lot of collaborators but a short list of people maintaining it. A very large amount of maintainers leads to infighting, procedural foolishness, and ultimately a very slow advancement schedule. There’s an interesting book called The Mythical Man-Month that goes into this in some detail, but the basic idea is: the more people you slap into a project that’s behind, the more the project will fall behind. Unintuitive, but true. Even in the case of raw horsepower, this becomes the case; you would think that if the basic job (photocopy this paper) was simple enough, the job would go faster with more people, but it doesn’t. You end up with people photocopying stuff wrong, collating wrong, bending pages badly, skipping pages… and the errors increase as you smack more people on. And you fall behind.
You may also edit the article during the discussion to improve it but should not remove the [[WP:AfD|articles for deletion]] template from the top of the article; such removal will not end the deletion debate. Thank you.<!-- Template:AFDNote --> [[User:BJBot|BJBot]] ([[User talk:BJBot|talk]]) 07:29, 21 January 2008 (UTC)


Now, at the risk of sounding a tad elitist and exclusivist, a low barrier to entry leads to crap. Maybe not initially, but with any amount of quality attached to a project, once it gains some respectability and perhaps fame or infamy, it is then beset upon by crap. By making it really, really easy to change, fundamentally, the nature of a project, you run the risk of the project becoming a battleground. A really, really crappy battleground.
===Sources for [[Clemson University football recruiting scandal]]===
As I mentioned in the AFD, [http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/organizations/c/clemson_university/index.html?query=ETHICS&field=des&match=exact New York Times] has a few articles that would be helpful in [[WP:CITE|sourcing]]. Even if this information is not considered worthy of a standalone article, I think it would be ''highly'' notable in [[1981 Clemson Tigers football team]] (where it is just barely mentioned), and it would probably fit nicely in [[Clemson Tigers football]] (no mention whatsoever). Cheers. / [[User:Edgarde|edg]]<small> [[User_talk:Edgarde|☺]] [[Special:Contributions/Edgarde|☭]]</small> 16:25, 21 January 2008 (UTC)


For exhibit A, one merely has to traipse over to the Internet Movie Database (IMDB), which is now a sub-company of Amazon. For better or worse, Amazon now defines that body of information’s future, and along the way they ended up adding a few nice features (like a very fast search engine, and links to buy the movie if you so choose). But they also added user comments.
Thanks for the link! Believe it or not, most of those articles deal with Clemson football going on probation for the second time in less than a decade, just after being caught for one of the longest lists of violations in NCAA history. I had planned to add the 1990 probation as another section to the existing article, as it nicely extends the history.[[User:ViperNerd|ViperNerd]] ([[User talk:ViperNerd#top|talk]]) 16:31, 21 January 2008 (UTC)


Have you seen the user comments there? Choose a movie; I won’t bias you. Go find the threads under a $100 million picture, an Oscar-winner or an independent production. Go browse them and bring to me a thread that isn’t a garbage pile of one-line off-the-cuff nothings, a handful of withered one-sentence dandelions. Devoid of insight, meaningless to anyone truly trying to find insight into the film at hand. In many cases, these films represent years of work in someone’s life, but because tourist3398 can just log right in and ask a completely stupid question, or make an inane comment, they get equal time on that front page for a while. Ultimately, it’s insulting to the work done and it adds nothing.
:Great. I'm not interested in writing football articles (the steroid one being exceptional for me because I used to work in substance abuse counseling), but let me know if you need help with citations. [[WP:ATT]] and [[WP:CITE]] are good guides. Secondary sources (such as NY Times articles) are usually more important to have than primary sources (such as those NCAA reports), so give [[WP:PSTS]] a glance as well. / [[User:Edgarde|edg]]<small> [[User_talk:Edgarde|☺]] [[Special:Contributions/Edgarde|☭]]</small> 17:02, 21 January 2008 (UTC)


The reviews that accompany each movie are slightly better, because it appears there is a moderation system in place. Reviews that are fundamentally wrong are in place, but they’re wrong in a matter of opinion, not often in a matter of being unreadable. You disagree with what’s being said, not the brickheaded way it’s being said.
Thanks for your help standardizing refs in this article! [[User:ViperNerd|ViperNerd]] ([[User talk:ViperNerd|talk]]) 20:08, 21 January 2008 (UTC)


The simple fact is, a low barrier to entry and an easy access to an audience tends to lead to problems. A web-based comic named Penny Arcade captured this succinctly, but I want to add that the issue is not that damage will occur immediately, but will occur over time. And eventually, given enough time, damage and low quality will win over high quality, because high quality requires effort and low quality does not.
:Happy to do it. We could use a non [[WP:SPS|self-published source]] for the ''CLEMSON UNIVERSITY PLACED ON NCAA PROBATION'' press release; the Googledoc could have been written and uploaded by anybody. It's not enough for it to be true, it has to be [[WP:V|verifiable]]. The ''(fabricated?)'' comment in the AFD probably stems from this. / [[User:Edgarde|edg]]<small> [[User_talk:Edgarde|☺]] [[Special:Contributions/Edgarde|☭]]</small> 20:22, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
:: No, I believe the fabrication that is mentioned over and over in the AfD was in regard to the "first program to be placed on probation the year after winning the national championship" statement. Thanks to good research by Thor, I've since removed that incorrect statement which I believed to be true. Wiki in action! [[User:ViperNerd|ViperNerd]] ([[User talk:ViperNerd#top|talk]]) 20:27, 21 January 2008 (UTC)


So we come to Wikipedia.
==Edits to [[South Carolina Gamecocks]]==
I noticed you recently undid an edit that I made which was adding in a reference to verify information about the rivalry. As I have stated, the sole reason for removal should not be that it links to a Clemson webpage, but rather because the source is not related or unverifiable. Since you removed this reference, you should also remove the unverified statements in the article to which the reference was made, or find another reference (I have tried and there isn't one online). '''[[User:Zchris87v|<font color="darkorange">Zchris87v</font>]]''' 09:59, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
:Sorry, but I fail to see your problem with the statement that your ref was attached to. The Carolina-Clemson football rivalry is in fact the longest uninterrupted series in the South, and the 3rd longest uninterrupted series overall. Both these statements can be verified by the reference already provided to the 2006 NCAA football record book (p.111), thus your reference was unnecessary.[[User:ViperNerd|ViperNerd]] ([[User talk:ViperNerd#top|talk]]) 18:40, 5 February 2008 (UTC)


I often get myself into trouble and lose my audience with my metaphors, but so be it. Think of Wikipedia as a massive garage where you can build any car you want to. Great tools are provided, a lot of shop manuals are there, and you get your own lift and away you go. Fantastic. But every one else, and I mean everyone else in the garage can work on your car with you. There’s no “lead mechanics”, no “shop floor managers”, no anything. In fact, the people who are allowed to work on your car can completely disregard what you were doing with it. They could have flown in from Boola-Boola Island 2 hours ago, not know the language, can’t read the manuals, and just go in and paint your car pink. And drive it. And leave it somewhere. Now, since tools are free and paint is free and you can easily go and retrieve your nice car and get it back to something resembling sanity, a lot of the people in the garage see there’s no problems. But in fact, the fifth, or the hundredth time you’re traipsing down the lane to find your messed-up, polka-dotted, covered-in-chrome-pussycats car, you’re kind of inclined to drive it into the lake and leave it upside down, wheels spinning.
==Removal of portion of Lou Holtz article==
It's not necessarily the content you deleted that is the issue. It's that you unilaterally deleted sourced information and did not go through any necessary steps before deleting the information.(i.e. debate it on the talk page). The text stated that he was not directly involved with the NCAA infractions, but the infractions listed were sourced and attributable to his tenures at the different schools. It would be prudent I think to discuss it on the talk page of the article instead of unilaterally deleting it. I am not sure the deletion will hold otherwise. [[User:Tedmoseby|Tedmoseby]] ([[User talk:Tedmoseby|talk]]) 20:11, 27 July 2008 (UTC)
:You might want to look up the definition of the word "unilateral" because I can assure you that I'm not the first or only person to remove this section of this article that seems to seriously violate guidelines of [[WP:BLP]]. Merely including sourced and verifiable information in a Wiki article of a living person is not the gold standard. In this case, there is too much speculation and guesswork involved with regard to how many (if any) of the violations that occurred at the schools in question can be directly tied to Holtz. In the absence of sourced information to the contrary, it's typically Wiki policy to err on the side of caution in these cases. But feel free to raise the issue on the article's talk page if you feel strongly that this information has a legitimate place in the article. [[User:ViperNerd|ViperNerd]] ([[User talk:ViperNerd#top|talk]]) 21:17, 27 July 2008 (UTC)
::It's not that I feel strongly about it one way or the other. It just seemed to be an overly large chunk of an article to delete. I fully agree with the [[WP:BLP]], but if it isn't the first time it has had to be deleted obviously someone thinks it is notable. Regards. [[User:Tedmoseby|Tedmoseby]] ([[User talk:Tedmoseby|talk]]) 00:30, 28 July 2008 (UTC)


This is what the inherent failure of wikipedia is. It’s that there’s a small set of content generators, a massive amount of wonks and twiddlers, and then a heaping amount of procedural whackjobs. And the mass of twiddlers and procedural whackjobs means that the content generators stop being so and have to become content defenders. Woe be that your take on things is off from the majority. Even if you can prove something, you’re now in the situation that anybody can change it. And while that’s all great in a happy-go-lucky flower shower sort of way, it’s when you realize that the people who are going to change it could have absolutely no experience with the subject whatsoever, then you see where we are.
== New article started ==


If you’ve ever worked in a large company, one where not everyone’s name is known by everyone else, you’ve bumped into these people, who don’t know the thing the company makes very well, don’t keep on top of new ideas beyond buzzwords, yet wield the kind of power where they can stop and start innovation and positive growth because they simply feel like it. It’s pretty heartbreaking stuff and I hope a bunch of you never have to deal with it.
I was surprised [[Brad Scott (American football)|Brad Scott]] was a redlink--he's the most recent South Carolina coach with a significant tenure that doesn't have an article. Took the liberty of starting one ... feel free to fill anything in that I missed. [[User:Blueboy96|Blueboy]][[User talk:Blueboy96|96]] 12:55, 12 August 2008 (UTC)


But thanks to Wikipedia, you can experience this on a daily basis! College students with too much free time deciding your subject matter is not worth reporting. Bizzare insight from strange lands telling you they didn’t think your paragraph was relevant. And ever the bizzare need for a Neutral Point of View. Neutral Point of View is a doctrine about how Wikipedia articles should be written. Like wikipedia itself, it is a great idea in theory. In application, of course, it turns into yet another hammer for wonks and whackjobs to beat each other and innocent bystanders.
== How are you going to spin this disaster? ==
Since you are intentionally seeking my correspondence (as evidenced in [[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:CobraGeek&diff=233059830&oldid=229259545|this post]]), I have several '''rhetorical''' questions for you: How are you going to spin that disaster of a football team that USC put on the football field today? With Spurrier now 1-3 at USC against Clemson (including today's debacle against an '''interim''' head coach with no previous experience even as a coordinator), how is the "Got Spurrier" experiment working out for you? How is that "but we are in the SEC" line working out for you? How does it feel to have been outscored 87-20 in your last two games? How is that New Years Day bowl picture shaping up for you?


Wikipedia is a relatively new creation, but it already quite beset with the same problems that inhabit any self-styled intellectual collaboration. People make little empires, have their agendas, push through ideas and themes they want, and disregard and delete things they do not. The main difference between this and other similar academic environments is the pure speed at which stuff can happen; you can literally have 30-40 little editing nibbles on a page within a single day. If people are feeling frisky, it can take place in a few hours. This means that you get all the politics and turf war of Ivory Tower Academia without the mitigating barrier of time to cool down or consider. That is, you get a nice big mess.
And since you might not have a dictionary handy, the ''rhetorical'' implies that I don't really expect an answer, but feel free to hack away...Happy Thanksgiving.--[[User:CobraGeek|CobraGeek]] ([[User talk:CobraGeek|talk]]) 20:42, 29 November 2008 (UTC)


One of the stated concerns of nanotechnology (wherein a bunch of tiny things make a lot of small changes very quickly, which should sound forever) is the ‘grey goo’ problem. The concern with grey goo is poorly programmed nanobots will make a bunch of wrong incremental changes to the world and reduce everything to a grey, goo-like substance of all creation. It is not hard, browsing over historical edits to majorly contended Wikipedia articles, to see the slow erosion of facts and ideas according to people trying to implement their own idea of neutrality or meaning on top of it. Even if the person who originally wrote a section was well-informed, any huckleberry can wander along and scrawl crayon on it. This does not eventually lead to an improved final entry.
:Wow...you had to wait over THREE MONTHS to respond to a link I left on your talk page? Wonder why that is? Oh, I think I've got it...you couldn't dare talk trash during yet another underachieving Clemscum football season until you beat your rivals. Glad to see you finally feel brave enough to poke your head out of the cave you've been living in all season. Congrats on the big, big win over another mediocre Carolina squad who will in all likelihood still be invited to the Outback Bowl on New Year's Day, thanks to that SEC schedule you jealous Taters love to try to belittle. If not Tampa, we either go to the Peach (I refuse to dignify the corporate name) or at worst to Nashville. Where do you think your team will be playing their bowl game? I've got my money on the Clemson Idaho Invitational, a.k.a. the Smurf Turf Classic, a.k.a. the Humanitarian Bowl. Pack your parka, it's probably gonna be chilly in Boise in late December. By the way, that's quite a lofty achievement for a team ranked in the top 10 at the beginning of the season, and picked by pretty much EVERY SINGLE SPORTS ANALYST IN AMERICA to not just win their first conference title in 17 years, but to positively breeze their way to the ACC championship and an Orange Bowl appearance, and maybe even an outside shot at a national title. Hmm...funny how most people around the nation (including Tater fans) didn't count on that classic Clemscum choke job. But oh well, you beat USC, so that makes y'all world-beaters I guess, I mean after all, that's the way the game is treated by all the rednecks in Pickens County. Who cares that you absolutely WASTED one of the most talented squads to ever suit up in the orange and purple clown suits, right? 7-5 is exactly where y'all wanted to be at the end of this season, I'm sure. Hell, I bet Terry Don Billy Bob Jimmy Joe Phillips signs Yabba Dabo to a ten-year contract as head coach, because that's another thing Clemson is good at, throwing big contracts with fat buyouts at mediocre coaches when they beat the Gamecocks. I guess Tater fans are getting just as familiar as their Carolina cousins are with one particular phrase..."Wait 'til next year."


Let’s put it another way. In the motion picture industry, there’s a term called “on the screen”. It’s phrased in this way: “is this money going to end up on the screen?”. And what is meant by that is that if you pay a bunch of money to rent a spectacular shooting location, then it’s going to end up on the screen, that is, people will see the spectacular location and go “wow” and they’ll feel the movie is giving them their money’s worth. If you pay for the rights to use a location, and then there’s a hurricane and your location is wiped out and you didn’t get insurance, then you just spent a lot of money, and did no shooting. Your money is not on the screen. Other than on a bunch of reciepts, there will be no trace of the $2 million you spent on that location rental. So there’s wasted money, energy and time, and that can add up. This is what plagued movies like Cleopatra, Waterworld and Heaven’s Gate, which contained huge behind-the-scenes costs that did not result in footage, meaning the movies were now expensive blockbuster budgets with medium-level footage to show for it.
:Oh, and Thanksgiving was two days ago, douchebag. [[User:ViperNerd|ViperNerd]] ([[User talk:ViperNerd#top|talk]]) 01:52, 30 November 2008 (UTC)


I would contend to you that the Great Failure of Wikipedia is how little truly ends up “on the screen”.
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'''Wow...you had to wait over THREE MONTHS to respond to a link I left on your talk page?'''
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:Yeah, I actually have a life and don't spend my days being a fanatic on Wikipedia like yourself. [[User:CobraGeek|CobraGeek]] ([[User talk:CobraGeek|talk]]) 00:55, 3 December 2008 (UTC)


As I said, you are no longer in the role of content generator soon after your works are exposed to the wonks and twiddlers and procedural whackjobs. You are a content defender and that means that time you could be spending finding new and interesting facts or finding original sources or otherwise making the world a better place (or at least an entry or two) is being spent explaining for the hundredth time that no, this really happened and yes, I got clearance for that photograph, and yes, I believe this shows a neutral point of view, and so on. It’s like you get to play one note of your trumpet and then you spend 20 minutes defending it. To anybody who walked in. Just now.
::I see, so you're claiming it was just total coincidence that your oh-so-busy schedule brought you back to Wikipedia the very same day Clemscum beat Carolina (in a game you were favored to win at home, I might add) at the end of a horribly underachieving season. Suuuure. And I suppose you'd like everyone to believe that National Championship the Taters won isn't tainted either. Clemson University...a tradition of spin and denial since 1982. [[User:ViperNerd|ViperNerd]] ([[User talk:ViperNerd#top|talk]]) 04:15, 3 December 2008 (UTC)


I’m sorry, but content creators are relatively rare in this world. Content commentators less so. Content critics are a dime a hundred, and content vandals lurk in every doorway. Wikipedia lets the vandals run lose on the creators, while the commentators fill the void with chatter. It is, a failure.
==Carolina-Clemson rivalry article==
Thanks, I brought up the blood drive a while back and no one responded, so I figured it was worth adding. As for the game ball run, if you add it, I think it should go under the football section as a subsection. There's a good article [http://www.independentmail.com/news/2008/nov/22/annual-gameball-run-comes-clemson here] on the run. It seems like it'd put a good wrap-up on the football section, and it raises money for multiple sclerosis. I don't think it's quite a rivlary, but definitely worth mentioning under football - [http://www.clemson.edu/newsroom/articles/2007/november/gameball_run2007.php5 here] it says that the ball is handed off in Greenwood, so it's not really a competition, but more of a team effort. & it doesn't really seem to have much of a frame of reference outside of the rivalry game, so I think it'd be a good addition to the article.
Also, about the infobox - I added the stuff based off of the [[Deep South's Oldest Rivalry]] article, but you were right about the information being in the article. The only thing that's not mentioned is the "most recent game", which I think is worth adding. Seems like a decent compromise since it'll change from year to year. '''[[User:Zchris87v|<font color="darkorange">Zchris87v</font>]]''' 22:36, 6 December 2008 (UTC)


Naturally, the question that arises is what solutions would I suggest to fix this situation. Well, I continue to run my own private collection of data and research and will continue to do so. You know, generating content. I made the mistake of gifting over a photograph to Wikipedia back when I thought it would be a success and not a failure, but I will not make that mistake in the future. I may offer the works I have collected and generated essentially for free to the public, but I will not give permission to Wikipedia to use them. This actually breaks the Wikipedia way, because they need explicit permission to function. It’s another fatal flaw; they will not mirror content. They are terrified of copyright violation. They are scared of what might happen if they were to copy over some text in a fair use situation and they were to be sued. So they do nothing. This is why so many links from Wikipedia are dead.
==CobraGeek is NOT a fanatic==
Yet for some inexplicable reason, he is impersonating me on a Gamecock message board, complete with a [http://southcarolina.rivals.com/showmsg.asp?fid=1825&tid=122843979&mid=122843979&sid=1017&style=2 link] to his life's work, the Wikipedia article detailing USC's steroid "scandal." Truly pathetic. But then again, we are talking about a Clemscum fan, so I guess no one should be surprised. I suppose when you're unemployed and living in a trailer park, you've got to fill the time somehow (between all the tobacco chewing and livestock fornication). [[User:ViperNerd|ViperNerd]] ([[User talk:ViperNerd#top|talk]]) 04:41, 6 January 2009 (UTC)


I’ve seen people point to Linux/Open Source as an example of a Wikipedia-like entity accomplishing things, but the fact is that this is a false comparision. The vast, vast, vast majority of open-source projects have a small amount of maintainers and an audience of users who, upon being able to see the code, suggest changes. If maintainers suck, they fork, but more often than not, the maintainers are told of their bugs, of feature requests, and so on, and implement them, sometimes slowly and sometimes not. Incremental improvements, not waking up one day and finding the I/O libraries gone or switched to a neutral point of view. Maybe this is a natural maturation of collaborative projects that Wikipedia hasn’t gone through yet. Time will tell on that level.
==Murder on [[John Dillinger]]==
Hello. I want to talk to you about "murder" vs. "death" on the John Dillinger page. Was he indeed convicted for the acts that were felonies that happened during the deaths of these police officers? If so, then perhaps "murder" is the correct term, but if not, then we must say "deaths", not "murders". As per [[WP:CITE]], we must cite these convictions if we're going to use a strong term like "murder". &ndash;'''''[[User:King Bee|King Bee]]'''''&nbsp;<sup>([[User talk:King Bee|&tau;]] • [[Special:Contributions/King Bee|&gamma;]])</sup> 09:52, 11 July 2009 (UTC)
:I would imagine that you are fully aware that you just asked a question you already know the answer to. Of course he wasn't convicted for those acts, as he was killed by law enforcement agents before he could stand trial for those crimes. It's a 100% certainty that had he been taken alive, the government would have prosecuted him with charges of felony murder at the same time he was on trial for felony bank robbery. Can we really say beyond a shadow of a doubt that he committed all of the bank robberies mentioned in the article? After all, he wasn't convicted at trial of any of those crimes either, so why are they fair game? You're reaching. [[User:ViperNerd|ViperNerd]] ([[User talk:ViperNerd#top|talk]]) 10:23, 11 July 2009 (UTC)


Already, there are many Wikis out there, sites using Wikipedia-like software (but interestingly, not often the exact software, choosing instead to implement their own version of the heirarchy and approach) and then collecting knowledge. Wikipedia calls them “Knowledge Bases”. I call them “Wikipedias”. I think over time, people will want to get away from the grey goo of Wikipedia’s mess and move towards specialized or properly-run Wikis, which contain, not a cabal, but at least a slight barrier to entry that will ensure that the person who is going to undo your hours of work with a few mouse clicks is at least, from some relatively objective standpoint, vaguely entitled to do so.
== Steve Spurrier ==


Meanwhile, I will aim my energy in my own direction, knowing that while my tools will be where I left them the previous morning, they’ll also still be recognizable as my tools.
You're doing a yeoman's job on this article! Are you planning on adding an image of Coach Spurrier on the sidelines at Florida? I think the article could really use a photo of him in the place that catapulted him into the ranks of coaching elite. At any rate, keep up the great work! [[User:ViperNerd|ViperNerd]] ([[User talk:ViperNerd|talk]]) 20:00, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

:Thanks, ViperNerd. Unfortunately, I have no spectacular digital images of the Evil Genius on the sidelines in the Swamp, but I am in contact with several folks at the University of Florida, and I will add it to my wish list of images that I will ask them to release for Wiki use. I actually have some paid writing work to do this afternoon, so I may take a break from the Spurrier article for a day or so. It still needs footnoted sources for a lot of the Redskins and USC material, and that takes time on the internet to find quality source materials (I try to stay away from fanblogs, etc., even for Wiki sports articles). Please feel free to flyspeck in my absence----it looks like you take some pride of authorship in this article, too. [[User:Dirtlawyer1|Dirtlawyer1]] ([[User talk:Dirtlawyer1|talk]]) 20:08, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

Vipernerd, do you know how to eliminate the small font for the awards, chmapionships, etc., in the coach's info box? Or is this something that is programmed into the college coach info box template? [[User:Dirtlawyer1|Dirtlawyer1]] ([[User talk:Dirtlawyer1|talk]]) 20:19, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

== One suggestion though ==

Looking over your edits, there really shouldn't be a situation where you have to worry about the three revert rule. You might want to, in the future, make sure to discuss your edits with those who disagree with them, on the talk page, and perhaps ask for an outside opinion. You will find your edits will 'stick' more when discussed, modified, and agreed upon, then when they are reverted back and forth. [[WP:DR]] is an excellent guide to dealing with disagreements, from the most trivial, to the most severe. [[User:Prodego|<font color="darkgreen">''Prodego''</font>]] <sup>[[User talk:Prodego|<font color="darkgreen">talk</font>]]</sup> 02:36, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

== Blocked indefinitely ==

<div class="user-block"> [[File:Stop x nuvola.svg|40px|left]] You have been '''blocked indefinitely''' from editing in accordance with [[Wikipedia:Blocking policy|Wikipedia's blocking policy]] for {{#if:edit-warring continuously, violating the three-revert rule many, many times, and block evasion through the use of open proxies on multiple occasions|'''edit-warring continuously, violating the three-revert rule many, many times, and block evasion through the use of open proxies on multiple occasions'''|repeated [[Wikipedia:Vandalism|abuse of editing privileges]]}}. If you believe this block is unjustified you may [[Wikipedia:Appealing a block|contest this block]] by adding the text <!-- Copy the text as it appears on your page, not as it appears in this edit area. Do not include the "tlx" argument. -->{{tlx|unblock|Your reason here}} below, but you should read our [[Wikipedia:Guide to appealing blocks|guide to appealing blocks]] first. {{#if:|[[User:J.delanoy|<font color="green">J'''.'''delanoy</font>]][[User Talk:J.delanoy|<sup><font color="red">gabs</font></sup>]][[Special:Contributions/J.delanoy|<font color="blue"><sub>adds</sub></font>]] 04:22, 4 August 2009 (UTC)|}}</div><!-- Template:uw-block3 -->[[Category:Temporary Wikipedian userpages|{{PAGENAME}}]]

See [[Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/ViperNerd]] for more information. [[User:J.delanoy|<font color="green">J'''.'''delanoy</font>]][[User Talk:J.delanoy|<sup><font color="red">gabs</font></sup>]][[Special:Contributions/J.delanoy|<font color="blue"><sub>adds</sub></font>]] 04:22, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
{{unblock reviewed|1=There is ZERO evidence that this anonymous IP was me, and this much is admitted by the admin who blocked me. In fact, I fully believe that another editor ([[User:Wolfkeeper]]) deliberately used this proxy to implicate me in edit warring using a sockpuppet, and it appears to have fooled a couple of admins. This same user stated recently that they would "do everything in [their] power" to bring about exactly this course of action.[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Tupolev_Tu-160&diff=304897510&oldid=304881126] An indefinite block in the absence of actual evidence is an absurd injustice, even for Wikipedia. "Likely" is not good enough when someone has publicly stated that they are actively pursuing a vendetta against me. I do not use IPs to edit (unless I accidently forget to login); if I did, it would have been apparent in the recent dispute at [[Tu-160]]. I'd like this block lifted on the grounds that the accusation is patently FALSE, and indeed was likely reported by the actual user of the proxy.|decline=Checkuser confirmation in the form of a "Likely" result means you're boned. Because Checkuser relies on IP evidence, a "Possible", "Likely", or "Confirmed" result that leads to a block ''isn't'' getting overturned. -<font color="32CD32">''[[User:Jéské Couriano|Jeremy]]''</font> <font color="4682B4"><sup>([[User talk:Jéské Couriano|v^_^v]] [[Special:Contributions/Jéské Couriano|Tear him for his bad verses!]])</sup></font> 09:32, 4 August 2009 (UTC)}}
:Doy you really wish to go with that line of defense? I confirm it's very {{likely}} you are the user of that proxy. Accusing other people of your wrongdoings won't do you any good. -- [[User:Luk|<span style="color:#002BB8;">Luk</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Luk|<span style="color:#FF3300;">talk</span>]]</sup> 06:56, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
::Then let's see your confirmation. Otherwise, this is a complete farce. "You're guilty because I think you are. I don't need proof." Is that the standard to which admins wield their powers on Wikipedia? If so, that's quite an eye-opener. It would mean that [[WP:V]] applies only to what is written here, and not how editors are treated by one another when a dispute arises. [[User:ViperNerd|ViperNerd]] ([[User talk:ViperNerd#top|talk]]) 07:23, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
:::Checkuser relies mainly on IP evidence, not editing behavior. If he says it's "likely" that means that the account has used the IP recently, but it's not certain whether he is still on the IP. When added with editing behavior (see your [[Special:Contributions/ViperNerd|contributions]] and that of the IP you were linked to) a "Likely" CU result is a death-knell. -<font color="32CD32">''[[User:Jéské Couriano|Jeremy]]''</font> <font color="4682B4"><sup>([[User talk:Jéské Couriano|v^_^v]] [[Special:Contributions/Jéské Couriano|Tear him for his bad verses!]])</sup></font> 09:32, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
::::Like I said, I want to see the evidence that my account has used this IP either today, or at any other time in the past. I'll be filing for unblock again until this evidence against me is presented. [[User:ViperNerd|ViperNerd]] ([[User talk:ViperNerd#top|talk]]) 09:37, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

{{unblock reviewed|1=Still no evidence presented to link my user account to the anonymous IP that I believe was used by another editor to frame me for edit warring using a sockpuppet. "Likely" isn't good enough reason to enforce an indefinite block (basically a BAN), I want to see the PROOF in a checkuser report.|decline=You don't get to see the report, but two trusted checkusers have come back with a verdict of likely, and that is enough to retain your block. [[User:Stephen|Step]][[User talk:Stephen|hen]] 10:22, 4 August 2009 (UTC)}}

You were edit warring, even without the IP. You read and understood 2 escalating warnings for same, as evidenced by active removal from your talk page. [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:ViperNerd&diff=prev&oldid=305707634] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:ViperNerd&diff=next&oldid=305930087]. So you can't say this wasn't unexpected.

However, I actually convinced one Admin/CU pair to give you a last chance, and I was going to post here to that effect (consensus is not recognized until/unless posted on wiki), but it looks like another pair independently discovered your infractions and acted on them before I could post.

I have seen some constructive work from you.

If you like, we could ask to cut the block down to 2-4 weeks, perhaps on the condition that you come talk with me first when you get back, and before you start editing. Would you like that?

--[[User:Kim Bruning|Kim Bruning]] ([[User talk:Kim Bruning|talk]]) 11:46, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

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THE GREAT FAILURE OF WIKIPEDIA (by Jason Scott)

I have now tried extended interaction with Wikipedia. I consider it a failure. In doing so, I will describe why, instead of just slinking off into the night on my projects. Maybe it will do some good. Maybe it will not. I’m sure, at the end of the day, there must be hundreds like me at this point. Burned, slapped, ejected from the mothership for not following the rules, no matter how intricate and foolish. Let me at least go with some smoke.

The concept of Wikipedia is a very engaging and exciting one, especially to someone like myself who spends an awful lot of time collecting information and then presenting it to people. Normally, the work I do is the work that’s done. That is, if I don’t give much attention to a specific section of my sites, that section will stay static, even if it’s in need of improvement. This is not very enjoyable. In collaboration, you will put your tools down for the night, and when you wake up the next morning, more work is done. This is very exciting, very enjoyable. It’s why people work in teams in the first place.

Within the social spectrum of information specialists, I am best classifyable as a moody loner. I don’t work well with others, at least, that is, people who I don’t like. Which is a lot of people. As a result, the vast majority of my sites are one-man operations, meaning that the firehose of my concentration goes from one site to another, giving it some sort of monsoon season of attention and update before firing in another direction. This means that some are truly ghost towns for months at a time. With the additional strike of my documentary, my time is almost completely eaten up, and so the other sites have been suffering.

The idea of Wikipedia, on its face, is really neat. A bunch of people can work on an entry in a huge, growing encyclopedia, its subject matter gaining far and wide, and deep, into the whole of human knowledge. Pretty cool stuff to hear about, as you browse the outside of it. You click on some of the more complete entries, and really, you just say to yourself “wow, such a great thing is man” and so on. Maybe you wave a little flag with a logo on it. Wikipedia’s watchword is entirely collaboration. With a few exceptions, anyone can modify anything in any way, and anyone can undo their modifications, with a full tracking of the history of edits and methods included to keep track of these changes. Exciting stuff.

I had run into people who spoke of Wikipedia in a near-fanatical aspect, of how all these hands were forming these great and beautiful entries, and that it was just a matter of running along and having a great time making the whole project better. Naturally, I regarded this with suspicion and hopeful interest. I’m always interested in people doing stuff tangental to the work I do, but I always wonder if it will turn out my work has been for naught, or if in fact I’m still doing something unique and the efforts being expended on the other project are unrelated.

On the other hand, it is an awful lot of work tracking down the history of America Online or John Paul Aleshe or any of the other subjects I am always researching, and a bunch more hands kicking in would be fantastic. So I bought in, for a little while. Signed myself up and started some work.

I should pause for a moment, before I continue further. If you work on Wikipedia, I’m just going to make you angry. What I am doing is trying to stop people from working on Wikipedia with the idea that they’re accomplishing good. I am quite convinced, from the outside, over here, that no amount of suggestions from a lone voice will have any effect. Mobs don’t listen. So please, traipse happily back to Wikipedia and get cracking; someone is not eschewing a NPOV, even as you read this. Go! Go!

Note, also, that in what I’m writing about, I’m not speaking about the concept of a “Wiki”, or indicating that a collaborative tool such as Wiki software is a failure. Confined with a number of limitations on who does what in the context of undoing work, it can certainly work. It’s just software, after all. it’s the implementation that’s the sticking point.

To understand Wikipedia, it helps to understand the Usenet FAQ and its unique place in history.

The Usenet FAQ was (and is) to me, one of the true great advantages and creations of the Internet age. Previously, it had always been the case that the same 5 or 10 questions plagued a subgroup, cultural icon, hobby or occupation. These questions, while quite valid, quite reasonable, would be asked so many times that it would eventually be the case that no-one was willing to step up for the thousandth time and explain them. This led, inevitably, to speculation, wrong information and misquoting that would come back to bite everyone later. For no good reason! But the Frequently Asked Questions list fixed that. It allowed all the common questions to be answered, and even for the common controversies to be addressed even if no firm conclusion had been reached. These things grew like crazy in the 1980s and there’s massive collections of them out there, still with good information (as long as its a general subject, and not a pop star or the like), and the work of many people coming together to build something good. Like Wikipedia is supposed to be.

I would attest that the reason for the success of the FAQ was a lot of collaborators but a short list of people maintaining it. A very large amount of maintainers leads to infighting, procedural foolishness, and ultimately a very slow advancement schedule. There’s an interesting book called The Mythical Man-Month that goes into this in some detail, but the basic idea is: the more people you slap into a project that’s behind, the more the project will fall behind. Unintuitive, but true. Even in the case of raw horsepower, this becomes the case; you would think that if the basic job (photocopy this paper) was simple enough, the job would go faster with more people, but it doesn’t. You end up with people photocopying stuff wrong, collating wrong, bending pages badly, skipping pages… and the errors increase as you smack more people on. And you fall behind.

Now, at the risk of sounding a tad elitist and exclusivist, a low barrier to entry leads to crap. Maybe not initially, but with any amount of quality attached to a project, once it gains some respectability and perhaps fame or infamy, it is then beset upon by crap. By making it really, really easy to change, fundamentally, the nature of a project, you run the risk of the project becoming a battleground. A really, really crappy battleground.

For exhibit A, one merely has to traipse over to the Internet Movie Database (IMDB), which is now a sub-company of Amazon. For better or worse, Amazon now defines that body of information’s future, and along the way they ended up adding a few nice features (like a very fast search engine, and links to buy the movie if you so choose). But they also added user comments.

Have you seen the user comments there? Choose a movie; I won’t bias you. Go find the threads under a $100 million picture, an Oscar-winner or an independent production. Go browse them and bring to me a thread that isn’t a garbage pile of one-line off-the-cuff nothings, a handful of withered one-sentence dandelions. Devoid of insight, meaningless to anyone truly trying to find insight into the film at hand. In many cases, these films represent years of work in someone’s life, but because tourist3398 can just log right in and ask a completely stupid question, or make an inane comment, they get equal time on that front page for a while. Ultimately, it’s insulting to the work done and it adds nothing.

The reviews that accompany each movie are slightly better, because it appears there is a moderation system in place. Reviews that are fundamentally wrong are in place, but they’re wrong in a matter of opinion, not often in a matter of being unreadable. You disagree with what’s being said, not the brickheaded way it’s being said.

The simple fact is, a low barrier to entry and an easy access to an audience tends to lead to problems. A web-based comic named Penny Arcade captured this succinctly, but I want to add that the issue is not that damage will occur immediately, but will occur over time. And eventually, given enough time, damage and low quality will win over high quality, because high quality requires effort and low quality does not.

So we come to Wikipedia.

I often get myself into trouble and lose my audience with my metaphors, but so be it. Think of Wikipedia as a massive garage where you can build any car you want to. Great tools are provided, a lot of shop manuals are there, and you get your own lift and away you go. Fantastic. But every one else, and I mean everyone else in the garage can work on your car with you. There’s no “lead mechanics”, no “shop floor managers”, no anything. In fact, the people who are allowed to work on your car can completely disregard what you were doing with it. They could have flown in from Boola-Boola Island 2 hours ago, not know the language, can’t read the manuals, and just go in and paint your car pink. And drive it. And leave it somewhere. Now, since tools are free and paint is free and you can easily go and retrieve your nice car and get it back to something resembling sanity, a lot of the people in the garage see there’s no problems. But in fact, the fifth, or the hundredth time you’re traipsing down the lane to find your messed-up, polka-dotted, covered-in-chrome-pussycats car, you’re kind of inclined to drive it into the lake and leave it upside down, wheels spinning.

This is what the inherent failure of wikipedia is. It’s that there’s a small set of content generators, a massive amount of wonks and twiddlers, and then a heaping amount of procedural whackjobs. And the mass of twiddlers and procedural whackjobs means that the content generators stop being so and have to become content defenders. Woe be that your take on things is off from the majority. Even if you can prove something, you’re now in the situation that anybody can change it. And while that’s all great in a happy-go-lucky flower shower sort of way, it’s when you realize that the people who are going to change it could have absolutely no experience with the subject whatsoever, then you see where we are.

If you’ve ever worked in a large company, one where not everyone’s name is known by everyone else, you’ve bumped into these people, who don’t know the thing the company makes very well, don’t keep on top of new ideas beyond buzzwords, yet wield the kind of power where they can stop and start innovation and positive growth because they simply feel like it. It’s pretty heartbreaking stuff and I hope a bunch of you never have to deal with it.

But thanks to Wikipedia, you can experience this on a daily basis! College students with too much free time deciding your subject matter is not worth reporting. Bizzare insight from strange lands telling you they didn’t think your paragraph was relevant. And ever the bizzare need for a Neutral Point of View. Neutral Point of View is a doctrine about how Wikipedia articles should be written. Like wikipedia itself, it is a great idea in theory. In application, of course, it turns into yet another hammer for wonks and whackjobs to beat each other and innocent bystanders.

Wikipedia is a relatively new creation, but it already quite beset with the same problems that inhabit any self-styled intellectual collaboration. People make little empires, have their agendas, push through ideas and themes they want, and disregard and delete things they do not. The main difference between this and other similar academic environments is the pure speed at which stuff can happen; you can literally have 30-40 little editing nibbles on a page within a single day. If people are feeling frisky, it can take place in a few hours. This means that you get all the politics and turf war of Ivory Tower Academia without the mitigating barrier of time to cool down or consider. That is, you get a nice big mess.

One of the stated concerns of nanotechnology (wherein a bunch of tiny things make a lot of small changes very quickly, which should sound forever) is the ‘grey goo’ problem. The concern with grey goo is poorly programmed nanobots will make a bunch of wrong incremental changes to the world and reduce everything to a grey, goo-like substance of all creation. It is not hard, browsing over historical edits to majorly contended Wikipedia articles, to see the slow erosion of facts and ideas according to people trying to implement their own idea of neutrality or meaning on top of it. Even if the person who originally wrote a section was well-informed, any huckleberry can wander along and scrawl crayon on it. This does not eventually lead to an improved final entry.

Let’s put it another way. In the motion picture industry, there’s a term called “on the screen”. It’s phrased in this way: “is this money going to end up on the screen?”. And what is meant by that is that if you pay a bunch of money to rent a spectacular shooting location, then it’s going to end up on the screen, that is, people will see the spectacular location and go “wow” and they’ll feel the movie is giving them their money’s worth. If you pay for the rights to use a location, and then there’s a hurricane and your location is wiped out and you didn’t get insurance, then you just spent a lot of money, and did no shooting. Your money is not on the screen. Other than on a bunch of reciepts, there will be no trace of the $2 million you spent on that location rental. So there’s wasted money, energy and time, and that can add up. This is what plagued movies like Cleopatra, Waterworld and Heaven’s Gate, which contained huge behind-the-scenes costs that did not result in footage, meaning the movies were now expensive blockbuster budgets with medium-level footage to show for it.

I would contend to you that the Great Failure of Wikipedia is how little truly ends up “on the screen”.

As I said, you are no longer in the role of content generator soon after your works are exposed to the wonks and twiddlers and procedural whackjobs. You are a content defender and that means that time you could be spending finding new and interesting facts or finding original sources or otherwise making the world a better place (or at least an entry or two) is being spent explaining for the hundredth time that no, this really happened and yes, I got clearance for that photograph, and yes, I believe this shows a neutral point of view, and so on. It’s like you get to play one note of your trumpet and then you spend 20 minutes defending it. To anybody who walked in. Just now.

I’m sorry, but content creators are relatively rare in this world. Content commentators less so. Content critics are a dime a hundred, and content vandals lurk in every doorway. Wikipedia lets the vandals run lose on the creators, while the commentators fill the void with chatter. It is, a failure.

Naturally, the question that arises is what solutions would I suggest to fix this situation. Well, I continue to run my own private collection of data and research and will continue to do so. You know, generating content. I made the mistake of gifting over a photograph to Wikipedia back when I thought it would be a success and not a failure, but I will not make that mistake in the future. I may offer the works I have collected and generated essentially for free to the public, but I will not give permission to Wikipedia to use them. This actually breaks the Wikipedia way, because they need explicit permission to function. It’s another fatal flaw; they will not mirror content. They are terrified of copyright violation. They are scared of what might happen if they were to copy over some text in a fair use situation and they were to be sued. So they do nothing. This is why so many links from Wikipedia are dead.

I’ve seen people point to Linux/Open Source as an example of a Wikipedia-like entity accomplishing things, but the fact is that this is a false comparision. The vast, vast, vast majority of open-source projects have a small amount of maintainers and an audience of users who, upon being able to see the code, suggest changes. If maintainers suck, they fork, but more often than not, the maintainers are told of their bugs, of feature requests, and so on, and implement them, sometimes slowly and sometimes not. Incremental improvements, not waking up one day and finding the I/O libraries gone or switched to a neutral point of view. Maybe this is a natural maturation of collaborative projects that Wikipedia hasn’t gone through yet. Time will tell on that level.

Already, there are many Wikis out there, sites using Wikipedia-like software (but interestingly, not often the exact software, choosing instead to implement their own version of the heirarchy and approach) and then collecting knowledge. Wikipedia calls them “Knowledge Bases”. I call them “Wikipedias”. I think over time, people will want to get away from the grey goo of Wikipedia’s mess and move towards specialized or properly-run Wikis, which contain, not a cabal, but at least a slight barrier to entry that will ensure that the person who is going to undo your hours of work with a few mouse clicks is at least, from some relatively objective standpoint, vaguely entitled to do so.

Meanwhile, I will aim my energy in my own direction, knowing that while my tools will be where I left them the previous morning, they’ll also still be recognizable as my tools.