Talk:List of Michael Jackson records and achievements

Michael Jackson's achievements

When I look at how he is described, the title "American musician" doesn't cover who he was. It should say "Michael Jackson is the most successful musicians and composers in the history of popular music (Guinness World Records). He was a multiple Grammy Award winning African American singer-songwriter, poet, composer, multi-instrumentalist, entrepreneur, record producer, film producer, painter, human rights, and peace activists (Guinness World Record Most charitable entertainer ever)." Javanette (talk) 07:51, 29 July 2009 (UTC) Javanette (talk) 07:53, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

Michael was not named artist of the millenium

Michael Jackson was not named Artist Of The Millenium by MTV. On a MTV Special Show which aired in Mexico on August 2005 (and in many other places of the world)they talked about this, the producers of that year's show said they didn't name Michael Jackson the Millenium Artist and they never intended to. They clarified that Brtiney said, and i quote "to me Michael Jackson is the artist of the millenium...happy birthday Michael" she said to her, and MTV never told her to say that, that was spontaneous. We now what happened next, Michael came out and didn't even thank anyone for his cake (which was the whole point of the section) and he said something about he couldn't believe he was named Artist Of The Millenium by MTV (which in fact they didn't).

ITS WRONG!!

He was not voted artist of the millenium by MTV, why is it there, I am removing it and here are several links that prove it is not true[1] [2] [3]81.155.77.170 13:11, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

== NUMBER ONES FROM ONE ALBUM ==

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He isn't the only artist to have 5 number ones from one album - Westlife did it, I think the Spice Girls did it too.

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ MICHAEL WAS HONORED AS ARTIST OF THE MILLENIUM AWARD Bold text Please watch youtube for proof of this award. Prince Albert presented Michael Jackson the 2000 World Music Millenium Award! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q05eanhuEik&feature=related —Preceding unsigned comment added by Fancyapple (talk • contribs) 04:25, 27 August 2009 (UTC)

HIStory- biggest seling multi-disc album ever?

This is very untrue. According to a wikipedia article on the biggest selling albums ever, Pink Floyd's "the wall" sold more and was 2 CDs.81.156.66.226 01:14, 26 December 2006 (UTC)

No it's fairly true all-right. The Wall had 23 million units in the United States and just over 30 million worldwide. HIStory, however, had 36 million worldwide. The Wall easily crushes HIStory in the US, but HIStory outdoes it internationally. This MSNB article says it explicitly: "1995’s “HIStory: Past, Present, & Future” is the best-selling multiple-disc album of all-time, with 18 million copies sold worldwide."UberCryxic 22:55, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

This article is crap

Looking through this article, there were countless questionable statistics and many of them contradict things that I've heard before. The worst one is where is says that The Beatles and Elvis both sold more albums than him. I'm pretty sure he sold more than anyone.

RECORD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

CNN has talked about 2500 millions of viewers, rather than the Olympic Games

So, this funeral, which can be considered the final performance of Michael Jackson has been:

Most Viewed EVENT OF THE HISTORY OF MANKIND WORLDWIDE !!!!!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.42.167.207 (talk) 10:10, 8 July 2009 (UTC)

No references?

How has this article existed for so long with so few references? I'd go through and delete everything without a reference, but someone would just revert it and claim it was vandalism. Trivialist (talk) 02:02, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

Bad album's run in the top five

How can his album be the longest running album in the top five with 38 weeks if Westside Story spent 58 weeks at number one? 75.21.84.236 (talk) 04:28, 29 September 2009 (UTC)

Star is Here's edits & reversions

The reasons for deleting the material in question are as follows:

1. The claims about Michael Jackson's Turkish sales totals are unsourced, and possibly unsourcable. A page specifically devoted to Jackson's international sales numbers (http://www.mjjcharts.com/MichaelGlobalAlbums.htm) has a blank listing for sales of "Bad" in Turkey. I could not find confirmation of this claim. What source are you working from?

2. The success of the "Thriller" album is already detailed in the article's top section. The additional text is repetition, which is commonly culled from Wikipedia articles. Likewise for the success of the "Bad" album.

3. The "biggest selling New Jack Swing album of all time" is a strangely limited category that constitutes fancruft. The genre's heyday was less than five years. It may be instructive to note that in the aftermath of Jackson's death, there was no discussion of New Jack Swing's losing its biggest star.

4. "HIStory" is not the biggest-selling multi-disc record of all time; "Saturday Night Fever" is. Pink Floyd's "The Wall" and the soundtrack to "Grease" have also substantially outsold "HIStory."

5. The "biggest selling remix album of all time" is another problematic category that may constitute fancruft, because the number of high-profile remix albums is few, and complete sales figures are fewer. Wikipedia only lists 8 remix albums that have sold as many as a million copies. 5 of these have matched or surpassed Jackson's U.S. sales. (U.S. sales totals are considered more reliable than overseas ones.)

If you dispute the above, A Star Is Here, please explain why. Thanks.208.120.7.152 (talk) 19:09, 9 October 2009 (UTC)

A Star Is Here-- Your response was ill-tempered enough that another editor deleted it, and two editors left warnings on your talk page. If you would like to leave a second response, rebutting my comments in a more civil manner, I would be happy to read it.

You appear to be a newer user, if the debut date of your user page is any indication. If so, you may not be aware that ["removing warnings for vandalism from one's talk page is also considered vandalism,"] and that ["actively erasing personal messages without replying (if a reply would be appropriate or polite) will probably be interpreted as hostile."]

Incidentally, even though your previous message has been deleted, it may be to your benefit to actually read the content of the edit summarized as "Hee hee!"208.120.7.152 (talk) 05:38, 10 October 2009 (UTC)

1. The successs of thriller was Us detailed or UK and has no mention of the complete worldwide sales.

2. New Jack Swing being limited category doesnt make it irrelevent. I dont really see that much talk when article says biggest selling rap album, or country album, so lets not make this into a double standard. Saturday Night Fever is in a limited category(Soundtrack). So its classifaction is a soundtrack album not studio multiple disc album. Same thing with grease. The wall has sold 38 million units not actual albums.

3. Us sales are not always reliable in MJ's case. Bad 8mill worldwide 30mill, Dangerous 7mill worldwide 32 million, History 7 mill worldwide 40 million units same with blood on the dance floor. Remix albums are relevant enough to get there own article.

4. I dont believe what you posted above constitute fancruft. The article is called Records and achievements of Michael Jackson. Record sales for an album, which became number one in its category, or album type, or what ever it may be is relevant and noteworthy in an article of achievements. Regards A Star Is Here (talk) 20:56, 10 October 2009 (UTC)

It's your edit that keeps removing the worldwide sales for "Thriller" from the very first section of his records and achievements (and leaving behind a partial sentence). I've restored the information at the top of the page. If you disagree, perhaps you'll explain why you believe that the best-selling album of all time is an achievement better saved for the article's 75th paragraph.

Comparing New Jack Swing as a music genre to rap or country is a stretch and a half. Rap releases have charted for more than 30 years, country releases have charted for more than 80. Meanwhile, New Jack Swing was a brief subgenre in music history, and a minor facet of Jackson's career arc. Michael Jackson's biographical infobox on Wikipedia lists four distinct genres associated with Jackson: R&B, rock, pop, and dance. Remix albums pose a different notability problem, because the scope of the so-called competition is simply too thin to support a notable "achievement." We might also glorify Jackson by claiming, correctly, that his achievements include fronting the most successful quintet in Indiana music history.

I'm afraid that you're simply wrong about the double albums. Soundtracks are not classified separately from other types of albums for the purposes of all-time Billboard/RIAA recordkeeping. To become Billboard's longest-running chart album ever, "Dark Side of the Moon" surpassed Johnny Mathis' "Greatest Hits" (#1) and the original cast album for "My Fair Lady" (#2). Furthermore, if you're counting separate sales, you appear to have halved Pink Floyd's total while doubling Jackson's. By most reports, "HIStory" has sold 10 million copies worldwide, not 40. "The Wall" has sold 11.5 million RIAA-tabulated copies in America alone. 40 million sales for any kind of album would rank in the all-time top 10. Should Jackson ever catch up to the Eagles (42 million-plus) for the highest-selling "greatest hits" album of all time, it will certainly make the news.

I've therefore deleted the incorrect multi-disc claim. I've also deleted the unref'd Turkey data, although if you are able to source that, it could merit a return or even its own section. In deference to your desire to keep the New Jack Swing/remix material, I've retained it, but in a more contextual manner. I've also consolidated some of the non-disputed award counts and ticket sales. I hope this compromise will satisfy you.208.120.224.227 (talk) 06:04, 13 October 2009 (UTC)

If you believe that most sources say HIstory has sold 10 million copies your are terribly wrong. Most sources have it at 15 to 20 million copies sold and 30 to 40 million disc. Jacksons History album by most counts is 20 million copies. Therefore I reinstated the History best selling multiple disc in another form. The turkish sales was not something I posted but I do find it suspicious that at of so many unreferenced statements on this page you choose that one to contest why not everything on the page? But the consolidation you did was satisfying even though I'am afraid your wrong about sells of History. A Star Is Here (talk) 09:55, 26 October 2009 (UTC)

According to various references on the internet, Michael Jackson has sold as few as 100 million albums, or as many as 750 million. "Thriller" sales estimates range from 45-110 million. That's quite a margin of error. However, the RIAA currently lists the "HIStory" album at 7 million sales in the U.S. (In other words, 3.5 million copies of the double album.) Even given Jackson's global popularity, and his July sales burst, going from 7 million confirmed U.S. sales of a given album to 40 million overall sales is an exponential process that wouldn't be reflected by any other top-selling album in history. "Saturday Night Fever" has double the RIAA certification and has had far more time to amass a sales total, and is generally listed at the 40 million level worldwide.

The worldwide sales chart on the Wikipedia page for "HIStory", which you yourself have edited, adds up to 10,346,000 sales, and that's accepting all the data at face value. Double that, and you don't get anywhere near 40 million. As I already mentioned, if and when "HIStory" hits 20/40 million sales, it will bump off the Eagles for the best-selling Greatest Hits album in all the annals of recorded music, and that's NOT going to go unnoticed by the media. For these reasons, I'm deleting the "multiple disc" edit.

For someone who is so accepting of uncertified sales totals, your suspicion regarding my secret motive in deleting the Turkish data is a bit of a surprise. As it happens, I do find some of the sections (e.g. "Jackson's Swiss achievements" as being part of the greater glorification of The King Of Pop. But even if the Norwegian or Irish charts are considered minor, at least those sections include actual information regarding verifiable chart history. The Turkish section did not.208.120.224.227 (talk) 14:14, 27 October 2009 (UTC)