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!align="center"|[[Image:Vista-file-manager.png|50px|Archive]]<br>[[Wikipedia:How to archive a talk page|Archives]] |
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* [[User talk:The JPS/archive1|2005]] |
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* [[User talk:The JPS/archive 2|Jan-10 May 2006]] |
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* [[User talk:The JPS/archive3|10 May-4 June 2006]] |
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* [[User talk:The JPS/archive4|4 June-27 July 2006]] |
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* [[User talk:The JPS/archive5|27 July - 31 August 2006]] |
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* [[User talk:The JPS/archive6|September - 2 November 2006]] |
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* [[User talk:The JPS/archive7|2 November - 31 December 2006]] |
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* [[User talk:The JPS/archive8|1 Jan - 3 March 2007]] |
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* [[User talk:The JPS/archive9|March/April 2007]] |
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* [[User talk:The JPS/archive10|May/22 June 2007]] |
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* [[User talk:The JPS/archive11|June/19 Aug 2007]] |
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* [[User talk:The JPS/archive11|-end of 2007]] |
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*[[User talk:The JPS/archive12|12]] |
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*[[User talk:The JPS/archive13|13]] |
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*[[User talk:The JPS/archive14|up until Bush fucked off]] |
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*[[User talk:The JPS/archive15|Jan 09 - 4 Aug 09]] |
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== Psycho (1960 film) GAR notification == |
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[[Psycho (1960 film)]] has been nominated for a [[Wikipedia:Good article reassessment|good article reassessment]]. Please leave your comments and help us to return the article to [[Wikipedia:What is a good article?|good article quality]]. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status will be removed from the article. Reviewers' concerns are [[Talk:Psycho (1960 film){{#if:1|/GA1}}|here]].--[[User:TonyTheTiger|TonyTheTiger]] <small>([[User talk:TonyTheTiger|t]]/[[Special:Contributions/TonyTheTiger|c]]/[[User:TonyTheTiger/Antonio Vernon|bio]]/[[WP:CHICAGO]]/[[WP:LOTM]]) </small> 22:52, 8 August 2009 (UTC) |
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:On to it -- cheers. [[User:The JPS|<font color="Purple">The <b>JP</b>S</font>]]<sup>[[User talk:The JPS|'''<font color="Purple"><b>talk</b> to me</font>''']]</sup> 22:53, 8 August 2009 (UTC) |
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::Ha, just noticed [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Psycho_%281960_film%29&diff=307043368&oldid=307039985 this]. I'm trimming the section right now and that was literally the ''first'' thing I removed. :-) [[User:Steve|<span style="font-variant: small-caps;">'''Steve'''</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Steve|T]] • [[Special:Contributions/Steve|C]]</sup> 21:40, 9 August 2009 (UTC) |
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== WGA Notice == |
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Dispute resolved. [[User:HM211980|HM211980]] ([[User talk:HM211980|talk]]) 21:31, 9 August 2009 (UTC)HM211980[[User:HM211980|HM211980]] ([[User talk:HM211980|talk]]) 21:31, 9 August 2009 (UTC) |
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== Bathurst redux == |
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I just read your email. Both ''Mirror'' sources (first-hand interviews with him) openly refer to her as a physiotherapist. Both are easily accessible by any member of the public. Like you said, it's hardly a violation of family privacy (not like publishing addresses). [[User:Wereon]] has restored the information now anyway (I don't have the article on my watchlist). [[User:Bradley0110|Bradley0110]] ([[User talk:Bradley0110|talk]]) 17:12, 10 August 2009 (UTC) |
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==Removal of PROD from [[Spotlight Kid (band)]]== |
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Hello The JPS, this is an automated message from [[User:SDPatrolBot|SDPatrolBot]] to inform you the PROD template you added to [[Spotlight Kid (band)]] has been removed. It was removed by [[User:Michig|Michig]] with the following edit summary '<nowiki>(deprod - article already links to a BBC interview, and a band with members of Six By Seven, Bent, Spiritualized, and Echoboy is almost certainly going to pass muster re notability. AFD if not convinced)</nowiki>'. Please consider [[User_talk:Michig|discussing your concerns]] with Michig before pursuing deletion further yourself. If you still think the article should be deleted after communicating with the 'dePRODer,' you may want to send the article to [[WP:AfD|AfD]] for community discussion. Thank you, [[User:SDPatrolBot|SDPatrolBot]] ([[User talk:SDPatrolBot|talk]]) 01:35, 18 August 2009 (UTC) <small>([[Template:Bots|Learn how to opt out of these messages]])</small> |
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==Cantr II Article== |
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The wikipedia article "Cantr II" was deleted, but has been edited at [[User:Junesun/Cantr II]]. |
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I'd like to know if this page is ready to be reposted on wikipedia, or if it is still missing something. [[User:Joshuamonkey|Joshuamonkey]] ([[User talk:Joshuamonkey|talk]]) 06:02, 18 August 2009 (UTC) |
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==Madhouse on Castle Street== |
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Not a criticism, just a genuine query - is it still right to change it to present tense even though the play doesn't exist any more? [[User:Angmering|Angmering]] ([[User talk:Angmering|talk]]) 16:36, 23 August 2009 (UTC) |
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:I would guess on occasions like that, yes, present tense would be appropriate. [[User:The JPS|<font color="Purple">The <b>JP</b>S</font>]]<sup>[[User talk:The JPS|'''<font color="Purple"><b>talk</b> to me</font>''']]</sup> 18:01, 23 August 2009 (UTC) |
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== Wikinews article reviewed == |
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Just wanted to let you know that I reviewed your WN article and you can find more about that on Wikinews, but I thought that you might see this before you saw the comment I made on your WN talk page. [[User:Calebrw|Calebrw]] ([[User talk:Calebrw|talk]]) 12:51, 9 September 2009 (UTC) |
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== User:TheBeatles420 == |
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This person is back and once again adding totally unreferenced information about nonexistent films (possible hoaxes) to Wikipedia. [[User:Multixfer|<>Multi-Xfer<>]] ([[User talk:Multixfer|talk]]) 21:13, 11 September 2009 (UTC) |
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:Thanks for letting me know. I've taken appropriate action. [[User:The JPS|<font color="Purple">The <b>JP</b>S</font>]]<sup>[[User talk:The JPS|'''<font color="Purple"><b>talk</b> to me</font>''']]</sup> 22:13, 11 September 2009 (UTC) |
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== ''Psycho'' plot == |
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{{talkback|Steve|Psycho plot}} |
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==Gallery Images== |
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Instead of just removing them, why not try adding that "critical commentary" you are asking for. It is easier to delete something, but better to try and fix it. - <small style="white-space:nowrap;border:1px solid #900;padding:1px;">[[User:Neutralhomer|<span style="color:#900;background-color:White;">NeutralHomer</span>]] • [[User talk:Neutralhomer|<span style="color:Black;background-color:White;">Talk</span>]] • 17:32, 2 October 2009 (UTC)</small> |
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:You expect me to research 50+ articles? [[User:The JPS|<font color="Purple">The <b>JP</b>S</font>]]<sup>[[User talk:The JPS|'''<font color="Purple"><b>talk</b> to me</font>''']]</sup> 17:34, 2 October 2009 (UTC) |
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::Yes. It would be better than deleting a ton of images, which is what you are doing now. Deletion is easy, research and fixing the problem, not as easy, but makes things better in the long run. Try it. - <small style="white-space:nowrap;border:1px solid #900;padding:1px;">[[User:Neutralhomer|<span style="color:#900;background-color:White;">NeutralHomer</span>]] • [[User talk:Neutralhomer|<span style="color:Black;background-color:White;">Talk</span>]] • 17:39, 2 October 2009 (UTC)</small> |
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:::By deleting the images I ''am'' fixing the problem. The problem is that these hundreds of images violate Wikipedia's core principle of being a free encyclopedia. The expectation is that those who want non-free images retained to do the work an justify their inclusion in a free encyclopedia. [[User:The JPS|<font color="Purple">The <b>JP</b>S</font>]]<sup>[[User talk:The JPS|'''<font color="Purple"><b>talk</b> to me</font>''']]</sup> 17:45, 2 October 2009 (UTC) |
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*Typical admin answer. ''You'' do the work. Right. Anyway, you should read [[WT:WikiProject Television Stations/Archive 8#A Man In Black is back...|this discussion]] and [[WT:WikiProject Television Stations/Archive 8#293.xx.xxx.xx and non free images|this discussion]], where we have established consensus these images are within the rules of Wikipedia and we have a nice little posting from Mike Godwin.... |
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Mike Godwin wrote: |
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Use of historical logos in this way strikes me as fair use. I think |
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it's unlikely that the local stations will even complain about the use |
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of the logos. |
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--Mike |
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On Apr 29, 2008, at 11:54 PM, C J wrote: |
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> Hello, |
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> I realize you are an incredibly busy individual but am writing to |
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> you in hopes of getting some clarification that no one else seems to |
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> have the particular expertise to provide. Specifically a user within |
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> the project has begun deleting historical logos formally used by |
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> local television stations within the United States. The logos are |
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> sourced and tagged with fair use rationale for their historical |
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> significance but it was argued because they appeared next to each |
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> other they needed to be deleted as they constituted a gallery of non- |
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> free images. The other side to the argument has remained that the |
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> historical logos uniquely illustrate how it identified itself to |
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> the public during a particular era as well as how that identity |
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> evolved over time. |
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> We are all hoping to reach further clarification from a definitive |
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> source to resolve this somewhat contentious issue so any feedback |
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> you might be able to provide in regards to this would be deeply |
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*Legal says they are OK, they are OK. Consensus says they are OK, they are OK. I say hit that pretty little revert button. - <small style="white-space:nowrap;border:1px solid #900;padding:1px;">[[User:Neutralhomer|<span style="color:#900;background-color:White;">NeutralHomer</span>]] • [[User talk:Neutralhomer|<span style="color:Black;background-color:White;">Talk</span>]] • 17:52, 2 October 2009 (UTC)</small> |
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:Mike is probably correct in that the radio and TV stations are unlikely to object. That does not make it open-season for non-free media. I don't see a consensus in those links. [[User:The JPS|<font color="Purple">The <b>JP</b>S</font>]]<sup>[[User talk:The JPS|'''<font color="Purple"><b>talk</b> to me</font>''']]</sup> 17:58, 2 October 2009 (UTC) |
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::It is there, just buried under a whole bunch of talking. I am not saying let's go "open season" on images, but deleting them outright shouldn't be the way. There should be a way that the images can be included into the articles that makes the Non-Free people happy and the image-inclusionists happy. - <small style="white-space:nowrap;border:1px solid #900;padding:1px;">[[User:Neutralhomer|<span style="color:#900;background-color:White;">NeutralHomer</span>]] • [[User talk:Neutralhomer|<span style="color:Black;background-color:White;">Talk</span>]] • 18:55, 2 October 2009 (UTC)</small> |
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:::I myself am a geek and I do enjoy looking through old images (TV Ark, for instance, is a great website). Logos can tell a lot about the evolution of a station of changes of ownership. But, we need sufficient prose to justify their inclusion. Quality over quantity. Can you point to a concrete guideline that supports your assertion. Have the discussions to which you point led to anything that supersedes [[Wikipedia:Non-free_content#Non-free_image_use_in_galleries]]? [[User:The JPS|<font color="Purple">The <b>JP</b>S</font>]]<sup>[[User talk:The JPS|'''<font color="Purple"><b>talk</b> to me</font>''']]</sup> 19:23, 2 October 2009 (UTC) |
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::::The only thing I have is the two discussions and the note from Godwin....I don't think that overrides [[Wikipedia:Non-free_content#Non-free_image_use_in_galleries]]....though in most cases users are not using galleries, they are putting the images in "thumbs" with a little blurb of information like "Logo used until October 2009" or something like that, though some of the blurbs are longer than that. - <small style="white-space:nowrap;border:1px solid #900;padding:1px;">[[User:Neutralhomer|<span style="color:#900;background-color:White;">NeutralHomer</span>]] • [[User talk:Neutralhomer|<span style="color:Black;background-color:White;">Talk</span>]] • 19:38, 2 October 2009 (UTC)</small> |
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::::::Yes, it's not only a question of the galleries, it's the critical commentary aspect; dispersing the images as thumbnails throughout the article doesn't work either, I'm afraid. I've seen a few articles through the [[WP:FAC]] process, so know what standards we are aiming for. For instance, I was forced to remove ''one'' screenshot showing two characters next to a description of those characters, because the image provided no more information. [[User:The JPS|<font color="Purple">The <b>JP</b>S</font>]]<sup>[[User talk:The JPS|'''<font color="Purple"><b>talk</b> to me</font>''']]</sup> 22:57, 2 October 2009 (UTC) |
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The JPS, I stumbled on your current project because you were notifying other editors[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3AA_Man_In_Black&diff=317509265&oldid=315843058] How many other editors you have contacted? I am very troubled by the non-neutral words you use. "fair use = open-season for polluting our free encyclopedia with this." I would strongly suggest you get wider consensus before you dictate what should or should not be on wikipedia. [[User:Ikip|Ikip]] ([[User talk:Ikip|talk]]) 21:32, 2 October 2009 (UTC) |
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:I will second that. [[User:JeremyWJ|JeremyWJ]] ([[User talk:JeremyWJ|talk]]) 22:17, 2 October 2009 (UTC) |
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::Consensus ''has'' been reached. [[Wikipedia:Non-free_content#Non-free_image_use_in_galleries|This]] is clear. Guidelines are established, worded and updated after extended discussion. A couple of discussions, such as those to which Neutralhomer helpfully linked, cannot override guidelines. There is no harm in notifying other editors; this is not RfC, AFD, RFA, etc. [[User:The JPS|<font color="Purple">The <b>JP</b>S</font>]]<sup>[[User talk:The JPS|'''<font color="Purple"><b>talk</b> to me</font>''']]</sup> 22:57, 2 October 2009 (UTC) |
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::Jeremy, why did you [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3AJeremyWJ&diff=317510539&oldid=317507860 remove] my note from your talk page? In an edit summary you request it to be discussed, yet you have only contributed four words and a few reversions. [[User:The JPS|<font color="Purple">The <b>JP</b>S</font>]]<sup>[[User talk:The JPS|'''<font color="Purple"><b>talk</b> to me</font>''']]</sup> 22:59, 2 October 2009 (UTC) |
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:::Hey JPS, just letting you know [[User:A Man In Black|A Man In Black]] is no longer active on Wikipedia. Cheers. -[[User:Sesu Prime|'''<font color="#0000cd">sesu</font>''']][[User talk:Sesu Prime|'''<font color="#b22222">PRIME</font>''']] 05:16, 3 October 2009 (UTC) |
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::::For the record, I agree with every word The JPS has to say on this subject. He's 100% in the right about this. ↪<span style="font-family:georgia;">'''[[User talk:Redvers|REDVERS]]''' <small><small><sup><u>[[User:Redvers/Say no to Commons|I dreamt about stew last night]]</u></sup></small></small></span> 14:28, 4 October 2009 (UTC) |
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Please do not protect pages where you are involved in legitimate disputes over policy interpretation, as you have done [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=WFFT-TV&action=history here] and [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=WPTA&action=history here]. Regardless of whether the pictures should or shouldn't be in the articles, an admin who is not involved in the conflict should protect the articles, and not you. --[[User:Aqwis|Aqwis]] ([[User talk:Aqwis|talk]]) 10:52, 5 October 2009 (UTC) |
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==Removal of PROD from [[Eartunes]]== |
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Hello The JPS, this is an automated message from [[User:SDPatrolBot|SDPatrolBot]] to inform you the PROD template you added to [[Eartunes]] has been removed. It was removed by [[User:92.11.136.195|92.11.136.195]] with the following edit summary '(no edit summary)'. Please consider [[User_talk:92.11.136.195|discussing your concerns]] with 92.11.136.195 before pursuing deletion further yourself. If you still think the article should be deleted after communicating with the 'dePRODer,' you may want to send the article to [[WP:AfD|AfD]] for community discussion. Thank you, [[User:SDPatrolBot|SDPatrolBot]] ([[User talk:SDPatrolBot|talk]]) 20:28, 7 October 2009 (UTC) <small>([[Template:Bots|Learn how to opt out of these messages]])</small> 20:28, 7 October 2009 (UTC) |
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==File:WOMC-FM.JPG== |
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You don't delete images because they "Violates non-free use policy", you don't get to decide what violates what and what doesn't. There are plenty of pages of images that are perfectly OK. If you have a problem with these images (because you were reverting) you don't use your admin tools to delete the image (out of sight, out of mind). That is using your admin tools in a VERY bad way and a clear COI. I request your restore any and all images you have deleted this way and explain exactly why you think they are "violating non-free use policy" when we had a discussion about where there is consensus they don't and Godwin backs that up. - <small style="white-space:nowrap;border:1px solid #900;padding:1px;">[[User:Neutralhomer|<span style="color:#900;background-color:White;">NeutralHomer</span>]] • [[User talk:Neutralhomer|<span style="color:Black;background-color:White;">Talk</span>]] • 20:35, 11 October 2009 (UTC)</small> |
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:Every editor experienced in writings and researching articles to comply with Wikipedia policy has agreed that usage of these images in this way is a breach of our non-free policy. You must understand that this is not ''I'' disliking these images: I am merely carrying out my administrative, janitorial duties by removing non-free media that harms out goal of being a free encyclopedia. Policy, the pillars, and the guidelines are absolutely clear.<br/>In the meantime, most of those articles are an embarrassment; filled with crufty lists of current and past presenters, and rarely an inline citation to support the station histories, never mind justify the use of non-free media. [[User:The JPS|<font color="Purple">The <b>JP</b>S</font>]]<sup>[[User talk:The JPS|'''<font color="Purple"><b>talk</b> to me</font>''']]</sup> 22:36, 11 October 2009 (UTC) |
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::[[Wikipedia:Non-free_content_review#Elektra_Records.23Company_logos]] [[User:The JPS|<font color="Purple">The <b>JP</b>S</font>]]<sup>[[User talk:The JPS|'''<font color="Purple"><b>talk</b> to me</font>''']]</sup> 11:38, 13 October 2009 (UTC) |
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== re: Edit summaries? == |
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Why are you continually hounding me on my talk page? If you've got an issue, bring it up to an administrator. [[User:Sottolacqua|Sottolacqua]] ([[User talk:Sottolacqua|talk]]) 18:13, 14 October 2009 (UTC) |
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:I'm not hounding you. It's called communication. I am an administrator, but could happily ask someone else to try to discuss this with you. Edit summaries are a part of Wikipedia's editing conventions, a courtesy to editors with articles on their watchlist. [[User:The JPS|<font color="Purple">The <b>JP</b>S</font>]]<sup>[[User talk:The JPS|'''<font color="Purple"><b>talk</b> to me</font>''']]</sup> 18:30, 14 October 2009 (UTC) |
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::The edits I made following your second message on my talk page included edit summaries, which was then followed by [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3ASottolacqua&action=historysubmit&diff=319842894&oldid=319838067 your message] accusing me of making it "difficult" for editors to see what changes I make. Would you prefer me to run the summary by you next time I make an edit to ensure the content meets your personal satisfaction based on the type of edit made? [[User:Sottolacqua|Sottolacqua]] ([[User talk:Sottolacqua|talk]]) 18:45, 14 October 2009 (UTC) |
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:::Additionally, being an administrator I'm sure that you're aware that providing edit summaries is not a [[Wikipedia:Policies and guidelines|policy or guideline]], as stated in the header of the [[Help:Edit summary|Edit Summary help article]]. [[User:Sottolacqua|Sottolacqua]] ([[User talk:Sottolacqua|talk]]) 18:51, 14 October 2009 (UTC) |
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::::Do you have some sort or political problem with the summaries? They are so much a convention that they are used to judge candidates at [[WP:RFA]]. With respect, your comment about running every summary by me is rather silly. The reason I posted a second message was because you removed my first, without comment, and then proceeded to edit further without summaries. [[User:The JPS|<font color="Purple">The <b>JP</b>S</font>]]<sup>[[User talk:The JPS|'''<font color="Purple"><b>talk</b> to me</font>''']]</sup> 18:59, 14 October 2009 (UTC) |
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:::::Please see the [[User page#|Removal of comments, warnings]] section of the [[WP:User Page]] article which states "Policy does not prohibit users, including both registered and anonymous users, from removing comments from their own talk pages...Repeatedly restoring warnings does nothing but antagonize users..." I'm free to remove whatever messages I want from my own talk page. As previously stated, after I removed your '''second''' message and began using an edit summary (which is again ''not'' required) you posted a '''third''' message on my talk page. [[User:Sottolacqua|Sottolacqua]] ([[User talk:Sottolacqua|talk]]) 19:21, 14 October 2009 (UTC) |
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::::::I'm losing interest in this. However, I am glad to see that you are learning to communicate. [[User:The JPS|<font color="Purple">The <b>JP</b>S</font>]]<sup>[[User talk:The JPS|'''<font color="Purple"><b>talk</b> to me</font>''']]</sup> 19:27, 14 October 2009 (UTC) |
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== [[A Nightmare on Elm Street]] == |
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[[File:XD-smiley.png]] <span class="plainlinks">[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=A_Nightmare_on_Elm_Street&diff=next&oldid=317932282 '''This''']</span> made me laugh. '''[[User:Scarce|<font color="black">ς ح</font>]] [[User talk:Scarce|<font color="black">д <big>r</big></font>]] [[Special:Contributions/Scace|<font color="black">خ <big>є</big></font>]]''' 14:50, 25 October 2009 (UTC) |
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== I would like to propose a truce... == |
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...let's discuss this like responsible adults. [[Special:Contributions/79.79.93.120|79.79.93.120]] ([[User talk:79.79.93.120|talk]]) 17:01, 25 October 2009 (UTC) |
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:Unhand thy lad! I beseech ye be seated yonder thus might we discusseth thine issue... [[Special:Contributions/79.71.50.68|79.71.50.68]] ([[User talk:79.71.50.68|talk]]) 02:00, 28 October 2009 (UTC) |
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== Don't try... == |
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...to act like you weren't being a rouge admin! I KNOW YOU FOR WHAT YOU REALLY ARE! --[[User:Izno|Izno]] ([[User talk:Izno|talk]]) 02:14, 10 November 2009 (UTC) |
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:Complete and total sarcasm in an attempt at humor, indeed. --[[User:Izno|Izno]] ([[User talk:Izno|talk]]) 14:35, 10 November 2009 (UTC) |
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