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: There's an old Russian joke about a man who found the most secure job in the Soviet Union. He was to sit on the top of a tall building and watch for the arrival of 'true communism'. --[[Ed Poor]] |
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:: It would surprise me if the Soviet Union ever claimed to have established communism, since there is no state in communism according Marxist theory, so the Soviet state would have a hard time explaining its existence if they had "communism" in place. Everything I recall about the Soviet-bloc nations was that they claimed to be laying the groundwork for a future stateless communist utopia, although of course their governments never even came close to withering away. But I am willing to concede that maybe Stalin made such a claim, since Stalin wasn't always the most logical man anyway, but I would want to see some source for that. |
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Please, someone that has read Marx and Hegel correct me if I'm wrong.
Hegel (or someone else) believed in dialectic processes, where each idea (the thesis) generated it's antithesis, and together they merged into a sysnthesis, which again generated it's own antithesis, and so on.
Marx based on that created a "materialistic dialectics" where each historical institution has created its antithesis, and a systhesis has been made. That until the last systhesis, comunism.
Does it sound familiar to any philosopher that has read marx and/or hegel??
Frankly, I haven't read much of either. :-) --LMS
"materialistic dialectics" has little to do with heglan dialectics. But I only really know Marx, not Hegel.--Taw
My exposure to Hegel is basically limited to having read part of Popper's 'The Open Society' (or whatever he calls it). Popper claims that all Hegel's philosophy boils down to is that "19th century Prussian absolutism is the highest development of the universe." I know Hegel was very interested in tracing the dialectic through history. However, I think Popper's work is pretty extreme -- his incessant Plato-bashing makes me feel unwell -- give poor Plato a break! -- SJK
Much better than my version, Dmerrill. --Ed Poor
- No Marxist government actually claimed to have instituted a communist society; instead, the official doctrines of these regimes held that their governments were only transitional socialist regimes.
IIRC during Stalin's rule Soviet Union claimed they already have communism. --Taw
- Do you have a source for that? -- Egern
- Unfortunatelly I don't remember what the source was. --Taw
- There's an old Russian joke about a man who found the most secure job in the Soviet Union. He was to sit on the top of a tall building and watch for the arrival of 'true communism'. --Ed Poor
- It would surprise me if the Soviet Union ever claimed to have established communism, since there is no state in communism according Marxist theory, so the Soviet state would have a hard time explaining its existence if they had "communism" in place. Everything I recall about the Soviet-bloc nations was that they claimed to be laying the groundwork for a future stateless communist utopia, although of course their governments never even came close to withering away. But I am willing to concede that maybe Stalin made such a claim, since Stalin wasn't always the most logical man anyway, but I would want to see some source for that.