Talk:Thumbshot

Girafa

Girafa.com was the first to offer thumbshots. Girafa.com was established in 1999, and has started providing thumbshots in 1999/2000 (http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://www.girafa.com). Moreover, Girafa.com has applied for a patent on this technology in 1999. Thus it is NOT debatable!!! Lets just clear things up, and write the truth! Isn't thats what s Wikipedia is all about?

For more information please check: [1] [2]

Thanks. —the preceding unsigned comment is by 213.8.83.40 (talk • contribs) 11:50, January 3, 2006

Guys, I understand your spam policy! FYI, Girafa.com is the leader provider and developer of the thumbnails/thumbshots technology. Girafa was the first to provide such service and its technology is patented. I am not trying to spam, but just to show the truth and the reality! Thanks.

It doesn't matter; Wikipedia doesn't provide commercial links unless there is good reason to. Quite honestly, I don't think any of the links should be in this article, but definitely not the link to Girafa. Peyna 16:02, 18 December 2005 (UTC)

Ha, I was in the middle of writing a rather different response. Anonymous user, thanks for your note. It does set you apart from the large group of spammers. And it gives us a chance to find a mutually satisfying solution. Can you provide any sources for the claim that Girafa was first? Their website says the company was founded in 1999, but doesn't say when they started providing thumbshots. I did find a guy who says he was using Girafa thumbshots in 1999: [3]. I tried searching for info about thumbshots.org from 1999 but.... it's difficult to search for them because so many pages that have thumbshots include a credit to that site. In any case, I don't think we need to link to ICQ. FreplySpang (talk) 16:14, 18 December 2005 (UTC)

I've reverted to a slightly older more neutral version, especially since it is unlikely we will be able to conclude who first used them and in what way and until it is verifiable it shouldn't be included. (I accidently marked the edit as minor). Peyna 16:40, 18 December 2005 (UTC)

Thanks, Peyna! FreplySpang (talk) 16:40, 18 December 2005 (UTC)

—the preceding unsigned comment is by 213.8.83.40 (talk • contribs) 11:50, January 3, 2006

A patent application does not establish priority. Even if the patent issues, it doesn't prove that they were the first, because it can still be challenged, and the USPTO does not write or read all history, it works off of limited databases. It is actually highly likely that thumbshots WERE being used by other people prior to Girafa providing them on such a large scale, which would make them not the first. At any rate, the articles you provide don't prove anything. Their method of providing thumbshots may be novel, but that doesn't make them the first to use them. In the end, I don't think the article needs to mention at all who was among the first to use them, especially when it can't be proven. Peyna 22:48, 4 January 2006 (UTC)

dmoz and Thumbshots

The Open Directory Project doesn't actually use thumbshots. uses data from the ODP to present their version of the directory. I'm not sure how to incorporate that into the article, however. You can call me Al 20:42, 4 January 2006 (UTC)