User talk:Distributivejustice

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Hi and thanks

I just wanted to thank you for your participation in the discussion on Race and intelligence. As it appears no one has welcomed you to Wikipedia yet, let me do so by saying I hope you find your time here pleasant and your collaboration with others rewarding. :-) --Aryaman (talk) 17:04, 16 October 2009 (UTC)

Notes to self

• "direct empirical support" is the standard of evidence for causal hypotheses of group difference in Neisser et al. --Distributivejustice (talk) 20:11, 18 October 2009 (UTC)

A proposal for the Race and intelligence article

I’m posting this comment on several users’ talk pages, because I’d like all of you to give me your input about a large change I’m considering making to the race and intelligence article. In my opinion, the article in its current state has a lot of issues. Fixing them has also proven to be next to impossible, partly because new changes have been made more quickly than it’s been possible to build consensus to undo changes that had been made previously.

I’m also of the opinion that the article as it existed in December of 2006 was considerably more informative, more balanced, and better-written than its current version. What I’m proposing is that rather than continuing to try and improve the article one part at a time, I would like to revert the article to the state that it had in 2006, while updating the things that need to be updated after three years.

The current discussion about this has been on my user talk page, towards the bottom of it. I would appreciate any of you reading the discussion about this idea, and letting me know there what you think of it. I’d like to be supported by the consensus of as many editors as possible before I attempt this. --Captain Occam (talk) 15:16, 24 October 2009 (UTC)

I’ve just brought up this idea on the Race and intelligence discussion page here, so I would appreciate having your feedback about it there. --Captain Occam (talk) 02:32, 8 November 2009 (UTC)

R&I Recent Edits

The hat is officially off.

Good job on your recent edits at R&I. I'm somewhat embarrassed, as I had proposed something very similar about a month or so back but allowed myself to be intimidated to the point that I didn't make the change. So... →

--Aryaman (talk) 14:23, 13 November 2009 (UTC)

DJ, I think you probably agree with me that there's no justification for Ramdrake to keep removing the content that I just added to this article, but I don't think he's going to be willing to compromise about this (well, he's directly said as much) so there's probably not much to be gained by trying to reason with him. You were thinking of reorganizing this section anyway, so could you please try to deal with Ramdrake while you're at it? I don't want to violate 3RR. --Captain Occam (talk) 05:41, 14 November 2009 (UTC)

MedCabal Case

Hello! My name is Reubzz and I have opened up this mediation cabal case that lists you as a party. Please indicate your acceptance of the mediation process on my talk page and on the case page so we can move quickly towards discussion and resolution of the dispute. The proceedings cannot start unless ALL parties agree to accept the mediation process.

Cheers! Reubzz (talk) 14:27, 14 November 2009 (UTC)

Statement

The mediation case has now opened. Please post your Opening Statement here: Wikipedia talk:Mediation Cabal/Cases/2009-11-12/Race and Intelligence.

Cheers! Reubzz (talk) 20:45, 14 November 2009 (UTC)

Mediation Notice

This is a notice to inform all parties in the MedCabal case involving the article Race and Intelligence, that the deadline for any final comments in this introductory stage of mediation is due within the next 24 hours. At the end of this timeframe, the Mediators will seek page protection for 48 hours to review the entire case and prepare a schedule of issues to discuss to proceed forward. Thank You for your cooperation and acting in good faith to pursue a conclusion to this dispute. Cheers! --Reubzz (talk) 02:22, 19 November 2009 (UTC)

New edits to Race and intelligence

(X-posting this to Varoon Arya, Distributivejustice and David.Kane)

Guys, I think it’s probably getting to be impossible for us to prevent Race and intelligence or its discussion page from being edited while we wait for the mediation to resume. Users uninvolved in the mediation case are apparently going to be editing this article no matter what, so the real question now is whether we should collaborate with them about improving the article, try to prevent them from editing it, or leave them to edit the article on their own without our assistance.

I think the first option makes the most sense. There’s no telling how long it’s going to be before Reubzz reopens the mediation case, and I don’t think it’s reasonable for us to try to prevent this article from being edited indefinitely because of a mediation case that’s no longer in progress. If necessary, we can seek page protection whenever the mediation case is re-opened.

As long as we’re going to be posting on the discussion page again, I’d also like to resume our discussion about your proposed change to the lead section. Nobody seemed to have a major problem with that edit, and a lot of people (myself included) thought it would be a significant improvement to the article, so it would be a shame if that discussion were pushed back into the archives without a decision ever being made about whether to use this new intro. --Captain Occam (talk) 08:00, 23 November 2009 (UTC)

Great Job on Between-Group IQ article

Well done! Feel free to delete everything that I had initially left there. Much of that Bell Curve material that I had in the first draft either doesn't belong or is best left at the main Bell Curve article. In any event, you are doing a great job here. I am mostly out for the next few weeks but hope to participate more in January. David.Kane (talk) 15:05, 22 December 2009 (UTC)

Heritability of IQ

You and David.Kane have done a good job improving the Between-group differences in IQ article, but I think the content which was moved to the Heritability of IQ article needs some work also. I’ve brought up some of the issues with this section, as well as my proposed solutions, on the discussion page here. I’d appreciate having both of your opinions about what I’ve mentioned there. --Captain Occam (talk) 00:42, 7 January 2010 (UTC)

a quote

"Many psychometricians and behavioral geneticists believe that high heritability of IQ test scores within racial groups coupled with environmental hypotheses failing to account for the differences between the mean scores for groups lends plausibility to explanations of mean differences in terms of genetic factors."[1] --DJ (talk) 08:08, 26 January 2010 (UTC)

race and intelligence

Hello, Distributivejustice. You have new messages at Wikipedia_talk:Mediation_Cabal/Cases/2009-11-12/Race_and_Intelligence.
You can remove this notice at any time by removing the {{Talkback}} or {{Tb}} template.

If you have time, there are some additional questions we have for you here. I hope you’ll be able to help us, if not now then at some point in the near future. It seems like it’s going to be a lot more difficult for us to improve this article without your help. --Captain Occam (talk) 01:52, 28 February 2010 (UTC)

soliciting comments/changes

draft of new lede section for race and intelligence article

editing open to anyone --DJ (talk) 19:37, 28 March 2010 (UTC)

Race and intelligence, new draft

A new draft of the race and intelligence article is being edited into mainspace, based on discussion in mediation. It should be completed sometime on 4/1/2010. I am posting this notice to mediation participants in the hopes that those who have not contributed recently to the mediation will come back to review and comment on the draft, and help discuss any revisions that need to be made. You may make any reviews or comments at the mediation page, and we will discuss any revisions that need to be made.

I'd also ask you to leave a note for David.Kane (talk · contribs) on his talk page. Whatever your opinion of the draft itself, I think he deserves thanks for putting a lot of time and effort into making the revisions. --Ludwigs2 18:47, 30 March 2010 (UTC)

New R & I spin-off article

I haven't seen you around here much lately, but I thought you might want to know that there's now a separate article about the history of this debate: History_of_the_race_and_intelligence_controversy. If you look at the talk page for this article you'll see there are some NPOV disputes over it, so if you have the time, your input there would be appreciated. --Captain Occam (talk) 08:33, 13 April 2010 (UTC)