Template talk:TFA editnotice

Wording

"visible to everybody in the world" vs the original "live"? I prefer the original. It seems more accurate in a way (at least "everybody in the world" seems like an exaggeration), and the new version seems to me possibly, ever so slightly, to encourage vandalism. Rd232 ^talk 20:51, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

A very, very good point. Switched it to just "visible" - I think that's more comprehensively understood than "live." ~ Amory (u • t • c) 21:06, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

Trouble with just "visible" is ambiguity - is it clear enough that it'll be visible to anyone visiting that page? it could be visible to just the editor (if you really think about it the ambiguity goes away, but many won't and may get the wrong idea). I chose "Live" because I thought it did convey that, and I thought it was a term people would be familiar with from TV. And I guess I came up with that precisely to avoid saying "visible to everyone", per the logic above. I don't know how else to convey that without over-emphasising the point in a way that may encourage vandalism. Perhaps "part of Wikipedia", or something in that direction? "part of the encyclopedia"? Could also be considered to be encouraging v... Perhaps a more radical change of wording? Rd232 ^talk 23:32, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

I don't know that I agree that it's ambiguous, but you do make a very convincing point. Do you think that "... your changes will instantly be viewable by anyone" is still too enticing? ~ Amory (u • t • c) 05:24, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

After sleeping on it, I think the word we're looking for is "public" or perhaps "published". Rd232 ^talk 06:30, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

Perfect! ~ Amory (u • t • c) 14:12, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

Why the extra line breaks? It just makes it taller, and the first added line break introduces a grammatical issue because the sentence "You really are editing it ..." is broken off from the "it". Rd232 ^talk 13:39, 15 May 2010 (UTC)

Auto-speedy tag

To avoid a large number of later-blanked editnotices being created and to ease navigation for existing ones, why not add some code for auto-tagging it for speedy deletion--I used <noinclude>{{#ifeq:{{#time:Y-m-d}}|2010-05-15|This will auto-tag it for speedy deletion tomorrow.|{{db-G6}}}}</noinclude>

on yesterday's, but it could easily be configured as a parameter (like delete=no/yes depending if there is already an existing notice) using the existing {{{day}}} param for something like <noinclude>{{#ifeq:{{#time:d}}|{{{day}}}|Foo|{{db-G6}}}}</noinclude>

Or use {{CURRENTDAY}} for consistency rather than #time. Does this sound OK? —fetch·comms 00:37, 16 May 2010 (UTC)

Oh, and can we use an svg like File:Information icon.svg to avoid the blurry left icon? —fetch·comms 01:49, 16 May 2010 (UTC)

For those who want to set this template up early, I think it's possible to use #ifexpr instead, and only show the g6 if the current date is later then the tfa date. —fetch·comms 00:16, 17 May 2010 (UTC)

That doesn't work, I'm afraid. It will display the template, it will claim to be in the category, but if you'd actually look into the category, it won't be there unless someone null edits the page, to cause a database write. Amalthea 13:49, 21 May 2010 (UTC)

Wording 2

The current tone taken by the edit notice comes off as accusatory and assumes the editor-to-be has mal-intent (i.e. "don't waste your time"). Not only does this present a challenge to and further encourage vandals, it goes against WP:FAITH. A neutral style of writing should be used, one that assumes the reader is here for benevolent purposes, along the lines of:
You really are editing it and if you press Save, your changes will be public — immediately. Don't worry, our volunteers work tirelessly to ensure the quality of your (and our!) hard work; vandalism will be swiftly reverted and malicious users prevented from editing, so you can rely on a positive editing environment in Wikipedia. We look forward to your contribution!
Anthiety (talk) 04:47, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

"Malicious" isn't the best word either, though. I think that "please do not waste your time and theirs by saving changes which do not improve the article" is less accusatory than calling others malicious. —fetch·comms 09:46, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

Proposed alternative display

I propose we display the TFA editnotice this way: we create Template:TFA title/date for each day (instead of the editnotice for each article), editing of the subpages of this template are restricted to admins (and account creators) using the title blacklist, and we display the TFA editnotice using Template:TFA title/{{date}} in template:editnotice loader{{Editnotice load}}. This is faster to set up for each TFA and additionally, provides a way for users to know TFA's title through a template, Template:TFA title, so they can for example embed recent changes to it, etc. Cenarium (talk) 17:37, 20 May 2010 (UTC)

Place it in Template:Editnotices/Namespace/Main instead: {{#ifeq: {{PAGENAME}} | {{TFA title}} | {{TFA-editnotice}} }}
The page titles can be created/maintained by one of the FA helper bots down the line. But yeah, that's pretty much exactly how I would do it, too. Maybe group the FA titles of a month together into one subpage, with a switch statement, for less clutter, but that's a matter of taste. Amalthea 13:36, 21 May 2010 (UTC)