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[[Image:Information.svg|25px]] Welcome to Wikipedia. A page you recently created{{#if:Give It 2 Me (Madonna song)|, [[:Give It 2 Me (Madonna song)]],}} may not conform to some of Wikipedia's [[Wikipedia:List of policies|guidelines]] for new pages, so it will shortly be [[Wikipedia:Deletion policy|removed]] (if it hasn't been already). Please use the [[Wikipedia:Sandbox|sandbox]] for any tests. For more information about creating articles, you may want to read [[Wikipedia:Your first article|Your first article]]. You may also want to read our [[Wikipedia:Introduction|introduction page]] to learn more about contributing. {{#if:|{{{2}}}|Thank you.}}<!-- Template:uw-create1 --> - [[User:Ericorbit|eo]] ([[User talk:Ericorbit|talk]]) 15:09, 8 April 2008 (UTC) |
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== Forgive me == |
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I've userfied your draft at [[User:Beautiful&Dying/Forgive Me (Leona Lewis song)]] as it was without reliable sources and thus a speedy deletion candidate per [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Forgive Me (Leona Lewis song)]]. See also [[User_talk:Tikiwont#Forgive_me]].--[[User:Tikiwont|Tikiwont]] ([[User talk:Tikiwont|talk]]) 08:14, 9 September 2008 (UTC) |
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:Please see [[WP:MUSIC#Albums, singles and songs|the notability threshold for songs]] before continuing to recreate this article outside your userspace. I'm sure it will make a chart sometime soon, until then, be patient. <b>[[User:Jauerback|Jauerback]]</b><sup>[[User talk:Jauerback|dude?]]</sup>/<sub>[[Special:Contributions/Jauerback|dude.]]</sub> 19:05, 15 September 2008 (UTC) |
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== Nobody's vs Nobodies == |
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Can you provide a source or reference for the alteration in album name? I can find no mention of the "Nobodies" usage anywhere. I was about to revert all of it back to the previous spelling, but figured I'd give a chance to prove this new one first, just in case. [[User:Tarc|Tarc]] ([[User talk:Tarc|talk]]) 22:16, 4 December 2008 (UTC) |
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==Your recent edits== |
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[[Image:Information.svg|25px]] Hello. In case you didn't know, when you add content to [[Wikipedia:Talk page|talk pages]] and Wikipedia pages that have open discussion{{#if:|, such as on [[{{{1}}}]]}}, you should [[Wikipedia:Signatures|sign your posts]] by typing four [[tilde]]s ( ~~~~ ) at the end of your comment. You may also click on the signature button [[Image:Signature_icon.png]] located above the edit window. This will automatically insert a signature with your username or IP address and the time you posted the comment. This information is useful because other editors will be able to tell who said what, and when. {{#if:|{{{2}}}|Thank you.}} <!-- Template:uw-tilde --> --[[User:SineBot|SineBot]] ([[User talk:SineBot|talk]]) 14:33, 8 August 2009 (UTC) |
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== [[WP:CRYSTAL BALL]] == |
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Regarding your edits to [[Rihanna]]: Generally speaking, wikipedia, being an encyclopedia does not usually document future events, unless said event has an unusually high volume of media coverage or the event is almost certain to occur. With music related albums, future releases are suspect and generally considered not to be notable, at least until there is a definite release date (Ex: ''New Album'' due in stores in two weeks on ''this date'') indicating the album has ''already'' been recorded and is only awaiting release. In general, music artists are notorious for wanting to start projects and not following through, or starting project and then canceling them for various reasons. [[User:Bookkeeperoftheoccult|<span style="color:black">'''''The Bookkeeper'''''</span>]] [[User talk:Bookkeeperoftheoccult|<small><span style="color:gray">('''''of the Occult''''')</span></small>]] 09:54, 13 August 2009 (UTC) |
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:Thats fair enough but why does Jimarey keep deleting my edits when i have a ref for it. For example Rihanna has been in the studio, this is fact yet Jimarey keeps deleting my edits. Also i tidied the page so that there are not huge blocks of text, for example i split the albums up into sections and i started a 2009 thread. but once again Jimarey has deleted and now it is once again a mess. Cant you get him blocked or something? He also insists on talking about "the chris brown incident", we already have a section for that now lets move on.--[[User:Beautiful&Dying|Beautiful&Dying]] ([[User talk:Beautiful&Dying#top|talk]]) 21:19, 13 August 2009 (UTC) |
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::Just because there is a reference/source, that does not make it notable to be included in the article - Hence the [[WP:CRYSTAL BALL]] policy. Saying she's working on an album is not the same as a finished product or a definitive release date. Right now there isn't enough information to have a 2009 section, in doing so, it would focus almost entirely on the domestic violence case, which is what we're trying to avoid: undue emphasis. I've kept the article as is a number of times as well, so its not just Jimarey opinion. [[User:Bookkeeperoftheoccult|<span style="color:black">'''''The Bookkeeper'''''</span>]] [[User talk:Bookkeeperoftheoccult|<small><span style="color:gray">('''''of the Occult''''')</span></small>]] 21:32, 13 August 2009 (UTC) |
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:::I understand now that there can't be a fourth album heading as there isn't one yet. The reference i was referring to was that Rihanna had been recording new material. This was delted by Jimarey a number of times (it has since been put back on by me, yet no doubt Jimarey will delete it again). Why did this happen?. Also You say you are both trying to avoid the domestic violence case yet Jimarey keeps bringing the subject up e.g. This will be rihanna's first appearance since the domestic violence case. I have since fixed this up by removing the Chris Brown parts as they are irrelevant and also because there is a whole section on that already. Why bring it up again? Will my work on this section be undone also?--[[User:Beautiful&Dying|Beautiful&Dying]] ([[User talk:Beautiful&Dying#top|talk]]) 21:48, 13 August 2009 (UTC) |
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::::I agree with your recent edit. There is no need to discuss the case again. It won't be undone. I'll watch for it. [[User:Bookkeeperoftheoccult|<span style="color:black">'''''The Bookkeeper'''''</span>]] [[User talk:Bookkeeperoftheoccult|<small><span style="color:gray">('''''of the Occult''''')</span></small>]] 21:52, 13 August 2009 (UTC) |
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:::::I wanted to know your opinion on each album having its own heading. This makes the article look much tidier. And each album has enough information to warrant having their own section. |
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:::::For example: |
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:::::1988-2004: Early life and recording contract |
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:::::2005: Music of the Sun |
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:::::2006: A Girl Like Me |
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:::::2007-2008: Good Girl Gone Bad |
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:::::2009-present (no title until we know what the new album is called. This section would be concerned with who Rihanna is recording with etc) |
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:::::I was thinking the Domestic Violence Case could be moved to a different section. I say this because all of these sections are concerned with her music rather than her life with the exeption of the Early life information. Beyonces article has a "Personal Life" section which i think would be perfect. It is situated above the discography and is out of the way near the bottom of the page. This way we can focus on the positive things at the top of the article e.g. the music etc. |
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:::::I also think it would be a nice touch if each of these sections had it's own picture of its album cover. Or if you dont like that idea we could have music clips as seen on nelly furtados article which is laid out nicely. Also i been looking around and people including Nelly Furtado have a forthcoming studio album section, so maybe this can be a heading and we can have that future banner thing above that section. Just a thought. |
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:::::Just to clarify, any edits i have done in the past were not to annoy you or anyone else but to make the article the best possible.--[[User:Beautiful&Dying|Beautiful&Dying]] ([[User talk:Beautiful&Dying#top|talk]]) 22:23, 13 August 2009 (UTC) |
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I reverted your edits because consensus in the archives of the talk page was not to separate career from personal life. This article is to remain in chronological order. As examples, see [[Michael Jackson]], [[Janet Jackson]], [[John Frusciante]], and [[Aaliyah]]. Per [[WP:FUR]] policy, album covers can only be used on the albums article for illustration, not as decorative pieces in other articles. "Forthcoming album" is still within CRYSTAL BALL policy. Its really not notable until there is confirmation of an albums release date. There is way too little information on it at the moment, especially to highlight that small piece of information with a banner. [[User:Bookkeeperoftheoccult|<span style="color:black">'''''The Bookkeeper'''''</span>]] [[User talk:Bookkeeperoftheoccult|<small><span style="color:gray">('''''of the Occult''''')</span></small>]] 19:14, 14 August 2009 (UTC) |
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:As a side note, I've been meaning to do it myself, but It would be ideal to merge her "Other ventures" and "Philanthropy" into the Life and career section, also in the chronological order of when the events took place. That would give you better opportunity to give more focus on albums. When I worked on Janet Jackson, each of the section headers is one album (the focus of her biography) and any other ventures or personal life detials are listed within that section (again in chronological order). I hope you have an understanding of what I mean. [[User:Bookkeeperoftheoccult|<span style="color:black">'''''The Bookkeeper'''''</span>]] [[User talk:Bookkeeperoftheoccult|<small><span style="color:gray">('''''of the Occult''''')</span></small>]] 19:25, 14 August 2009 (UTC) |
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== Happy (Leona Lewis song) == |
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Hello, i believe your edits are in [[WP:good faith]] however i will once again request that you do not re-open the article. All of the information provided in the article is already located on the album's page. Furthermore according to [[WP:NSONGS]] singles should have recieved ''notable independent coverage''. I am under no doubt that once the song is fully released it will recieve extensive coverage and is likely to get to number 1. But without background details like who the song was written/produced by, a cover art, chart positions and independent coverage there is little rational for a whole page for the song. Beside the page contains just several sentences. ([[User:Lil-unique1|Lil-unique1]] ([[User talk:Lil-unique1|talk]]) 15:42, 1 September 2009 (UTC)) |
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:If you would stop continually deleting the page i would have more to add. I have seen numerous other music articles without cover art, chart positions etc. Also, instead of deleting everytime someone makes an edit why don't you contribute to the article. --[[User:Beautiful&Dying|Beautiful&Dying]] ([[User talk:Beautiful&Dying#top|talk]]) 15:46, 1 September 2009 (UTC) |
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::Hi B&D. A song generally isn't notable until it charts, however, please feel free to work on the draft of the article in my userspace [[User:AnemoneProjectors/Happy (Leona Lewis song)|here]]. Once it's ready, I'll move it into the mainspace. <font face="Tahoma">[[User:AnemoneProjectors|AnemoneProjectors]] <small>([[User talk:AnemoneProjectors|talk]])</small></font> 16:58, 2 September 2009 (UTC) |
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:::If a song isn't notable until it charts then why are there numerous other song articles which haven't charted yet? Also, Echo hasn't charted yet, maybe it should be removed. I feel that the Happy article i have created has a lot more information than most other song articles yet it isn't "ready". If we have to wait until November to post the article isn't that a bit stupid?--[[User:Beautiful&Dying|Beautiful&Dying]] ([[User talk:Beautiful&Dying#top|talk]]) 18:02, 2 September 2009 (UTC) |
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::::Because nobody has spotted them yet in order to put them up for deletion or to redirect them, see [[WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS]]. ''Echo'' might not have charted yet but it meets the general notability guidelines, which "Happy" does not at the moment. It might do before it's released, but for now please continue to edit the draft version in my userspace, but please don't remove any information. <font face="Tahoma">[[User:AnemoneProjectors|AnemoneProjectors]] <small>([[User talk:AnemoneProjectors|talk]])</small></font> 18:35, 2 September 2009 (UTC) |
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:::::i did not remove any information i just replaced it with a better edit which contains the same information.--[[User:Beautiful&Dying|Beautiful&Dying]] ([[User talk:Beautiful&Dying#top|talk]]) 19:13, 2 September 2009 (UTC) |
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== Echo == |
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Dear user, |
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I am not happy with your recent edits to [[Echo (Leona Lewis album)]]. My main concern is that i sourced its australian release from the OFFICIAL LEONA LEWIS WEBSITE for Australia. You have replaced the referenced with a reference labelled as 'Sony Music Australia' which is in fact "Bandit Fm". Such editing is misrepresentative of the information in the source and article. Furthermore i think you'll find that Epic is not a front-line label in Australia. Spirit was released by Sony just as Echo will be. It is the same with Syco Music which is an active label in the UK only, elsewhere Sony Music is the registered parent label and markets/distributes Syco artists elsewhere. Please do not make such changes again. If you do try to misrepresent a source again you will reported to Wikipedia administrators as this would be seen as a serious offence. I am trying to assume that your edit was in [[WP:good faith]] but im am finding it difficult to do so. ([[User:Lil-unique1|Lil-unique1]] ([[User talk:Lil-unique1|talk]]) 17:06, 18 September 2009 (UTC)) |
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::Dear -, If you took the time to check you would find that the "Sony Music Australia" site redirects to the "Bandit Fm" site. Bandit Fm is the new Official website for Sony Music Australia. This can also be evidenced at the bottom of the Bandit Fm page which states "copyright of Sony Music Australia". Also, the "OFFICIAL LEONA LEWIS WEBSITE for Australia" has likely copied and pasted from the UK site. You may go ahead and report me as it is you who is in the wrong. Another example of this is the "Spain" release date reference, "Sony Music Spain" redirects to "click2music.es" because it is the new official site.--[[User:Beautiful&Dying|Beautiful&Dying]] ([[User talk:Beautiful&Dying#top|talk]]) 17:18, 18 September 2009 (UTC) |
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::You see i tried to assume good faith and its editors like yourself who obviously didn't understand the comments made in the discussion and who turn defensive that really annoy me. I was going to say i accept your comments about Sony Music australia - i was not aware of this and that was my mistake. However you should have tagged the source as ''Bandit Fm'' instead of Sony Music Australia then it would not be misleading. By the way i am not wrong about the other things, Epic is not a front line label in Australia and Syco Music is only active in the UK. You should choose your words very carefully because wikipedia is supposed to be a community. You are supposed to be critical of one's edits not of the editor themselves. You are supposed to be supportive not confrontational. I suggest you should calm down in future and think about what you are being critical of. Some might think that i am owed an apology but because we are both in the wrong - we both have got some things wrong it should be left at that. ([[User:Lil-unique1|Lil-unique1]] ([[User talk:Lil-unique1|talk]]) 17:58, 18 September 2009 (UTC)) |
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:::Your attitude is not helpful, i have accepted that i made a mistake but that was only because '''you''' incorrectly tagged the sources. With a situation like this one it would have been better for you to have put something on the discussion page just in case someone later had a query about your edits. Just because i got something wrong doesnt mean you deserve an apology. i did not speak in a confrontational way to yourself. if you dont want to take advice from an experienced editor then don't but don't ever take the high ground when you did not respond in a way that assumed [[WP:good faith]]. And for your information the reason i didnt respond was because i am actually editing other pages. Not that i should have to explain that to you... ([[User:Lil-unique1|Lil-unique1]] ([[User talk:Lil-unique1|talk]]) 18:06, 18 September 2009 (UTC)) |
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::::The source was not incorrectly tagged, it just wasn't complete. Incorrectly suggests there was an error which there was not. I have now added "Bandit Fm" to the source. I know for a fact that you would have deleted the source even if it was tagged "Bandit Fm". And also, i don't take advice from '''inexperieced''' editors like yourself. You may want to take a look back at your comments to see how arrogant you are/sound. I think you have a [[superiority complex]].--[[User:Beautiful&Dying|Beautiful&Dying]] ([[User talk:Beautiful&Dying#top|talk]]) 18:23, 18 September 2009 (UTC) |
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== March 2010 == |
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==Codine - Nobody's Daughter== |
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I noticed you added Buffy Saint Marie as the writer of Codine without a reference. Are you sure it's her version or Janice Joplin's cowrite/rewrite? Do you have a reference? --[[User:Cyrip|Cyrip]] ([[User talk:Cyrip|talk]]) 18:43, 19 March 2010 (UTC) |
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::No reference, just making an educated guess because Courtney has sung the original version live before (see YouTube) --[[User:Beautiful&Dying|Beautiful&Dying]] ([[User talk:Beautiful&Dying#top|talk]]) 19:09, 19 March 2010 (UTC) |
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Hi there. I noticed you beat me to it uploading the album cover for [[Flesh Tones]]. However i've had to upload a newer version which is smaller. [[WP:NFCC]] is the application of copyright for non-free media. Under the rules provided non-free images must be the smallest size and lowest quality possible to portray reader understanding. In future when uploading album or single covers please try to reduce the size of them to comply. An approximate perfect size is 275 × 275 px. This will have no effect on the cover's appearance in the infobox but will comply with the copyright regs. Thanks. Happy editing. [[User:Lil-unique1|Lil-unique1]] ([[User talk:Lil-unique1|talk]]) 16:59, 15 April 2010 (UTC) |
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