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== August 2010 == |
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[[File:Nuvola apps important.svg|25px]] You currently appear to be engaged in an '''[[Wikipedia:Edit warring|edit war]]'''  according to the reverts you have made on [[:Greece national basketball team]]. Note that the [[Wikipedia:Edit warring#The three-revert rule|three-revert rule]] prohibits making more than three reversions on a single page within a 24-hour period. Additionally, users who perform several reversions in content disputes may be blocked for edit warring even if they do not technically violate the [[Wikipedia:Edit warring#The three-revert rule|three-revert rule]]. When in dispute with another editor you should first try to [[Wikipedia:Talk page guidelines|discuss controversial changes]] to work towards wording and content that gains a [[Wikipedia:Consensus|consensus]] among editors. Should that prove unsuccessful, you are encouraged to seek [[Wikipedia:Dispute resolution|dispute resolution]], and in some cases it may be appropriate to request [[Wikipedia:Protection policy|page protection]]. If the edit warring continues, '''you may be [[Wikipedia:Blocking policy|blocked]] from editing''' without further notice. <!-- Template:uw-3rr --> [[User:TeleComNasSprVen|<font color="red">:| TelCo</font>]][[User talk:TCNSV|<font color="green">NaSp</font>]][[User:TCNSV/PMD|<font face="Showcard Gothic" color="blue">Ve :|</font>]] 20:05, 23 August 2010 (UTC) |
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:''If this is a shared [[IP address]], and you didn't make the edit, consider [[Wikipedia:Why create an account?|creating an account]] for yourself so you can avoid further irrelevant notices.'' |
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==I did NOT break the three revert rule== |
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I did NOT make 3 reverts in 24 hours, nor more than that. Yellow Evan has made 3 in 24 hours and obviously false reported me, after I warned him about it. Please review that and restore the edit as I last made it, and remove my warning, and the false threat to ban me. Otherwise I will take it up with other mods. Thank you.[[Special:Contributions/74.194.176.82|74.194.176.82]] ([[User talk:74.194.176.82#top|talk]]) 20:13, 23 August 2010 (UTC) |
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:[[:meta:The Wrong version|No]], I will not restore your edit. Please direct your attention to the talkpage first, and then I may seriously consider it. It is not a "false threat" or whatever you make it out to be. Note how I said "appear" rather than is. And [[WP:edit warring|edit warring]] is different from [[WP:3RR|3RR]]. [[User:TeleComNasSprVen|<font color="red">:| TelCo</font>]][[User talk:TCNSV|<font color="green">NaSp</font>]][[User:TCNSV/PMD|<font face="Showcard Gothic" color="blue">Ve :|</font>]] 20:19, 23 August 2010 (UTC) |
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:Yellow Evan is the one that is edit warring, not me. You need to actually check who is causing the problem before you make a threat to ban someone.[[Special:Contributions/74.194.176.82|74.194.176.82]] ([[User talk:74.194.176.82#top|talk]]) 20:20, 23 August 2010 (UTC) |
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:I never reported you. BTW, it reverted two times in ''24'' hours. I carefully checked that. I am just reverting it because it is [[WP:OR]]. It will be kept if a source is provided. Also, I tired to discuss on the talk page, but no one was answered. [[User:Yellow Evan|Y]][[User talk:Yellow Evan|E]] [[2010 Pacific hurricane season|<font color="#66666"><sup>'''T'''ropical</sup></font>]] [[Special:contributions/Yellow Evan|<font color="#66666"><sup>'''C'''yclone</sup></font>]] 20:24, 23 August 2010 (UTC) |
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: Someone reported me and you are the only person that could have done it. If you did it off site with a buddy of yours then you broke site rules. Also, I did not make more than 3 reverts. And as soon as you would have been breaking that rule you had this other guy revert it back. I have not even broken the rule and am being told I cannot restore it back. You are the one that started the edit warring by removing things from the page and falsely claiming original research. You reported me, and then you lied about reporting me just now.[[Special:Contributions/74.194.176.82|74.194.176.82]] ([[User talk:74.194.176.82#top|talk]]) 20:29, 23 August 2010 (UTC) |
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::Please calm down. More of this paranoia may (notice how I said "may") get you blocked. It is not a threat; I simply do not wish for you to be blocked. It takes two to edit war, by the way. Please read the essay on edit warring, and notice how it is much different from breaking 3RR. [[User:TeleComNasSprVen|<font color="red">:| TelCo</font>]][[User talk:TCNSV|<font color="green">NaSp</font>]][[User:TCNSV/PMD|<font face="Showcard Gothic" color="blue">Ve :|</font>]] 20:31, 23 August 2010 (UTC) |
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:I am not paranoid. You had no reason to threaten to ban me unless someone reported me. I am taking this up with other mods. Good day sir.[[Special:Contributions/74.194.176.82|74.194.176.82]] ([[User talk:74.194.176.82#top|talk]]) 20:33, 23 August 2010 (UTC) |
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:And I checked, Yellow Evan received no warning for edit warring and he is the one that caused it and he is the one that actually did it. Not me.[[Special:Contributions/74.194.176.82|74.194.176.82]] ([[User talk:74.194.176.82#top|talk]]) 20:34, 23 August 2010 (UTC) |
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:::(ec)Dont worry nobody reported you. You will not be banned. However, you could be blocked for only 24 hours. We are not reporting you. [[User:Yellow Evan|Y]][[User talk:Yellow Evan|E]] [[2010 Pacific hurricane season|<font color="#66666"><sup>'''T'''ropical</sup></font>]] [[Special:contributions/Yellow Evan|<font color="#66666"><sup>'''C'''yclone</sup></font>]] 20:38, 23 August 2010 (UTC) |
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::::BTW, you caused it by reverting the edit. also, I reverted tow times during 24 hour. No offense, but learn how to count. [[User:Yellow Evan|Y]][[User talk:Yellow Evan|E]] [[2010 Pacific hurricane season|<font color="#66666"><sup>'''T'''ropical</sup></font>]] [[Special:contributions/Yellow Evan|<font color="#66666"><sup>'''C'''yclone</sup></font>]] 20:42, 23 August 2010 (UTC) |
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: I checked the user rights of both of you. And now you threaten the implication of a 24 hour block. I am putting this on the admin notice board. You can explain it to them. Thank you.[[Special:Contributions/74.194.176.82|74.194.176.82]] ([[User talk:74.194.176.82#top|talk]]) 20:43, 23 August 2010 (UTC) |
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:::::::BTW, it their is no Wikipedia policy for acting like an admin and not being one. Your AN is not gonna go anywhere. Sorry. [[User:Yellow Evan|Y]][[User talk:Yellow Evan|E]] [[2010 Pacific hurricane season|<font color="#66666"><sup>'''T'''ropical</sup></font>]] [[Special:contributions/Yellow Evan|<font color="#66666"><sup>'''C'''yclone</sup></font>]] |
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:::::::Please do not discuss this anymore. The admins will handle it.[[Special:Contributions/74.194.176.82|74.194.176.82]] ([[User talk:74.194.176.82#top|talk]]) 21:07, 23 August 2010 (UTC) |
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:[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Yellow_Evan&action=historysubmit&diff=380571367&oldid=380562144 There] I warned him. But you also participated in the edit war, therefore you are equally to be warned. You satisfied? [[User:TeleComNasSprVen|<font color="red">:| TelCo</font>]][[User talk:TCNSV|<font color="green">NaSp</font>]][[User:TCNSV/PMD|<font face="Showcard Gothic" color="blue">Ve :|</font>]] 21:11, 23 August 2010 (UTC) |
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:You are acting like you are an admin. According to the check user feature you are not. Please do not discuss this further until I get an explanation from an actual admin, and not a pretend one. If the check user feature is in error then someone can explain that also.[[Special:Contributions/74.194.176.82|74.194.176.82]] ([[User talk:74.194.176.82#top|talk]]) 21:13, 23 August 2010 (UTC) |
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::[[WP:EQUAL|All editors are equal]]. [[User:TeleComNasSprVen|<font color="red">:| TelCo</font>]][[User talk:TCNSV|<font color="green">NaSp</font>]][[User:TCNSV/PMD|<font face="Showcard Gothic" color="blue">Ve :|</font>]] 21:15, 23 August 2010 (UTC) |
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::Threatening blocks for something when I didn't even do anything wrong and sending messages like that implies you are an admin. This has no reason to be discussed further as you are not willing to provide any explanation for that. As I said, let the admins explain it.[[Special:Contributions/74.194.176.82|74.194.176.82]] ([[User talk:74.194.176.82#top|talk]]) 21:17, 23 August 2010 (UTC) |
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:::I told you: it is not a "false threat" or whatever you make it out to be. How can I "act" like an admin? The [[Template:Uw-3rr|template]] is for everybody to use; that's why it's a template. Also, I can explain it if I want to; all editors are equal. [[User:TeleComNasSprVen|<font color="red">:| TelCo</font>]][[User talk:TCNSV|<font color="green">NaSp</font>]][[User:TCNSV/PMD|<font face="Showcard Gothic" color="blue">Ve :|</font>]] 21:15, 23 August 2010 (UTC) |
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:::I did not edit war and I did not break the 3 revert rule. So there was no reason for me to receive that template from you. Also, Yellow Evan didn't get the template from you and you added it later in a sarcastic way. So once again, please let the admin handle it. This conversation is going nowhere. Thank you.[[Special:Contributions/74.194.176.82|74.194.176.82]] ([[User talk:74.194.176.82#top|talk]]) 21:22, 23 August 2010 (UTC) |
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Please, follow the instructions on the [[WP:AN|AN]] page and put your complaints at the ''bottom'' of the page next time. <span class=plainlinks>[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard&action=historysubmit&diff=380573961&oldid=380573854 I had to do it]</span> for you this time, but please be more careful. Thanks. [[User:TeleComNasSprVen|<font color="red">:| TelCo</font>]][[User talk:TCNSV|<font color="green">NaSp</font>]][[User:TCNSV/PMD|<font face="Showcard Gothic" color="blue">Ve :|</font>]] 21:26, 23 August 2010 (UTC) |
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== Edit warring == |
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[[WP:Edit warring]] merely requires making repeated changes to an article. You were indeed edit warring on [[Greece national basketball team]]. The [[WP:3RR|three-revert rule]] is a ''limit'', not an ''entitlement''. You do not have to break the 3RR to be edit warring.--[[User:SarekOfVulcan|SarekOfVulcan]] ([[User talk:SarekOfVulcan|talk]]) 22:02, 23 August 2010 (UTC) |
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:So how was Yellow Evan not edit warring, when he was the one that started it all and was removing information for no reason and reverting more than I was?[[Special:Contributions/74.194.176.82|74.194.176.82]] ([[User talk:74.194.176.82#top|talk]]) 22:07, 23 August 2010 (UTC) |
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::Having looked at the history, it seems Yellow Evan was also edit-warring; however, that doesn't mean you're not also at fault. Rather than edit warring and repeatedly reverting other users' edits, please discuss controversial edits on the article's talk page instead, and attempt to establish a consensus over what the content of the article should be. <span id="sig" style="background:#FFFFC0">'''[[User:Giftiger_wunsch|<font face="Verdana" color="#900000">Giftiger<font color="#FF0000">Wunsch</font></font>]]''' [[User_talk:Giftiger wunsch|<font face="Tahoma" color="#0060A0">[TALK]</font>]]</span> 22:10, 23 August 2010 (UTC) |
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::I didn't say he wasn't, and he has indeed been warned for it. --[[User:SarekOfVulcan|SarekOfVulcan]] ([[User talk:SarekOfVulcan|talk]]) 22:09, 23 August 2010 (UTC) |
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:::::(ec)I was not removing it for no reason it is original research. In Wikipedia, you need sources to support you claim. Sorry. I tired to establish a consensuses on the article talk page and discussion. [[User:Yellow Evan|Y]][[User talk:Yellow Evan|E]] [[2010 Pacific hurricane season|<font color="#66666"><sup>'''T'''ropical</sup></font>]] [[Special:contributions/Yellow Evan|<font color="#66666"><sup>'''C'''yclone</sup></font>]] 22:13, 23 August 2010 (UTC) |
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:::::How is a depth chart original research? You actually, said, "I don't see depth charts on many basketball articles" and that was why you removed it. You then started on about original research. And the depth chart was not even original research.[[Special:Contributions/74.194.176.82|74.194.176.82]] ([[User talk:74.194.176.82#top|talk]]) 22:15, 23 August 2010 (UTC) |
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::::::OK, everybody, calm down. The AN thread is over. Move everything to the article's talkpage, please. [[User:TeleComNasSprVen|<font color="red">:| TelCo</font>]][[User talk:TCNSV|<font color="green">NaSp</font>]][[User:TCNSV/PMD|<font face="Showcard Gothic" color="blue">Ve :|</font>]] 22:17, 23 August 2010 (UTC) |
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::::::There is no need. There is really no reason at all to discuss it at the talk page. A depth chart is not original research. If it is then so is the roster template and that should also be removed. But then it should be removed also from all basketball articles. I can understand if the depth chart was wrong and outdated. But original research does not make any sense. |
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:::::::There is a need. An edit war started. An editor disagreed with another. Therefore the edit(s) was(were) [[wikt:controversial|controversial]]. Please discuss whether or not it was OR on the article's talkpage. Please also read Wikipedia's core policies regarding [[WP:TALK|talkpages]] and how to gain [[WP:consensus|consensus]]. [[User:TeleComNasSprVen|<font color="red">:| TelCo</font>]][[User talk:TCNSV|<font color="green">NaSp</font>]][[User:TCNSV/PMD|<font face="Showcard Gothic" color="blue">Ve :|</font>]] 22:22, 23 August 2010 (UTC) |
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:::::::There is no need. Yellow Evan threw a fit and I have no reason to put it back on there after all that trouble he caused over nothing. My point is that he was removing something that had been on there for a long time and his reason was actually incorrect. It seems odd to me that anyone can remove something and claim whatever they want, edit war if it is put back and then it has to become "controversial". It was not added, it was removed info that had been there for a long time and that many other articles also have, which is the opposite of what he said about it. So actually no, it was not controversial. It's a practice of removing something a personal editor did not like, and nothing more. In the future he should not do that.[[Special:Contributions/74.194.176.82|74.194.176.82]] ([[User talk:74.194.176.82#top|talk]]) 22:27, 23 August 2010 (UTC) |
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::::::::"It's a practice of removing something a personal editor did not like, and nothing more." That's exactly why it's controversial. Please, if you wish to add/remove/do whatever the heck you want with the article, discuss it on the talkpage. [[WP:DGAF|I don't care]], [[WP:just drop it|just drop it]], okay? If you don't want to put it back into the article, work on some different topic. [[User:TeleComNasSprVen|<font color="red">:| TelCo</font>]][[User talk:TCNSV|<font color="green">NaSp</font>]][[User:TCNSV/PMD|<font face="Showcard Gothic" color="blue">Ve :|</font>]] 22:31, 23 August 2010 (UTC) |
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:::::::::74.191, arguing over whether or not something is controversial is not constructive; if it involves an argument, it is automatically controversial. Please attempt to establish consensus rather than reverting any further; you might consider trying [[WP:3O]] (but first, discuss on the article's talk page). <span id="sig" style="background:#FFFFC0">'''[[User:Giftiger_wunsch|<font face="Verdana" color="#900000">Giftiger<font color="#FF0000">Wunsch</font></font>]]''' [[User_talk:Giftiger wunsch|<font face="Tahoma" color="#0060A0">[TALK]</font>]]</span> 22:34, 23 August 2010 (UTC) |
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:::::::::One editor does not make it controversial and one editor does not make consensus. Anyway I am removing this from my talk page.[[Special:Contributions/74.194.176.82|74.194.176.82]] ([[User talk:74.194.176.82#top|talk]]) 22:37, 23 August 2010 (UTC) |
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{{od}} One editor ''does'' make it controversial, I'm afraid. You're right that one editor does not make consensus, however, and that extends to you as well. <span id="sig" style="background:#FFFFC0">'''[[User:Giftiger_wunsch|<font face="Verdana" color="#900000">Giftiger<font color="#FF0000">Wunsch</font></font>]]''' [[User_talk:Giftiger wunsch|<font face="Tahoma" color="#0060A0">[TALK]</font>]]</span> 22:40, 23 August 2010 (UTC) |
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:You know what? You're completely right. That's why when you reverted [[User:Yellow Evan|Yellow Evan]]'s edit that means that you just became part of a dispute. You participated in an edit war, and you also made his reverting you controversial. If only he reverted you, that's his fault. But now you are at fault too. So yes, it is controversial, and yes, one editor does not consensus make. [[User:TeleComNasSprVen|<font color="red">:| TelCo</font>]][[User talk:TCNSV|<font color="green">NaSp</font>]][[User:TCNSV/PMD|<font face="Showcard Gothic" color="blue">Ve :|</font>]] 22:43, 23 August 2010 (UTC) |
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::Look, okay, the edit can be restored if it follows [[WP:CONSENSUS|CONSENSUS]]. Have you read the essay yet? [[User:TeleComNasSprVen|<font color="red">:| TelCo</font>]][[User talk:TCNSV|<font color="green">NaSp</font>]][[User:TCNSV/PMD|<font face="Showcard Gothic" color="blue">Ve :|</font>]] 22:45, 23 August 2010 (UTC) |
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<tr><td>[[WP:V|<font color="#006000">WP:V</font>]]</td><td>Material on wikipedia needs to be ''verifiable''. If you add something controversial, make sure you provide a reliable secondary source.</td></tr> |
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<tr><td>[[WP:RS|<font color="#006000">WP:RS</font>]]</td><td>Sources need to be published by a third party to be considered reliable, and should not be a blog or user-contributed (this includes wikipedia, social networking sites, etc.)</td></tr> |
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</table> <span id="sig" style="background:#FFFFC0">'''[[User:Giftiger_wunsch|<font face="Verdana" color="#900000">Giftiger<font color="#FF0000">Wunsch</font></font>]]''' [[User_talk:Giftiger wunsch|<font face="Tahoma" color="#0060A0">[TALK]</font>]]</span> 22:04, 23 August 2010 (UTC) |
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== Blocked as a sock puppet == |
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<div class="user-block"> [[File:Stop x nuvola.svg|40px|left]] You have been [[Wikipedia:Blocking policy|blocked]] '''1 month''' as a '''[[WP:SOCK|sock puppet]]'''. (blocked by –[[User talk:MuZemike|MuZemike]] 23:44, 23 August 2010 (UTC))<br /> |
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Nice try, [[User:Wiki Greek Basketball|Wiki Greek Basketball]]. –[[User talk:MuZemike|MuZemike]] 23:44, 23 August 2010 (UTC) |
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