Talk:Personal flotation device

lifejacket vs pfd

My contributions to this article are taken from the node I wrote (of the same name) on Everything2. My homenode is here.

I made some corrections in this update. The previous version was incorrect in stating that survival suits are designated as PFDs by the USCG, and also misclassified type 5 PFDs as inflatables only.

-Etoile

This page lumps together most flotation devices as "lifejackets". As I understand it, this term should only be used when the device in question has been proven to turn an unconscious wearer face-up, plus some other requirements. Most other things, particularly the foam vests used for dinghy sailing, waterskiing, etc, are "bouyancy aids". PeteVerdon 22:39, 21 July 2005 (UTC)

I very much agree with PeteVerdon and the two are very different. Perhaps someone could help out creating a different article? I would do it but I am flat out getting the Kayaking WikiProject on the way. Bennyboyz3000 10:52, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

Actually from what I have been reading in various forums, the USCG is coming around to the viewpoint that PFDs should be called lifejackets again if for no reason than name recognition. As an example, see the table at http://www.uscg.mil/hq/g-m/mse4/mse4home.htm where PFDs are in parenthesis and Life jacket is the main item.--- Safemariner 21:23, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

You'll find there is sometimes confusion between European standards and US standards. Under CE approval there are clearer classifications of what a PFD, Lifejacket, and buoyancy aide are. Europe does have a standard for all of these. In this section a Type III is listed as a "buoyancy aide" the Underwriters Laboratory (UL), USCG, and Code of Federal Regulations (CFR's) do not use buoyancy aide in any of their vocabulary and no standard exists for buoyancy aides. Traditionally a Type III is referred to for Recreational use. In a nutshell, a lifejacket in this section should refer to anything that holds the mark of the appropriate approval body specifying its intended use. Floattech 20:15, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

Sinking lifejackets?

I have heard an urban legend that the "old" lifejackets made of cork or kapok used to lose buoyancy after being immersed in water for a long (many hours?) period of time? Can anyone confirm or deny this? Mieciu K 14:08, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

Actually almost all old life jackets eventually lose their bouyancy, even if not immersed in water. Foam disintegrates and becomes useless also. --- Safemariner 03:06, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

Naming? (more on lifejacket vs pfd)

Recently, I was leading on a camp in Bairnsdale, Victoria, not too far from Melbourne. We went into the canoe, and the leaders in charge stressed that we not tell the kids to put their "life jackets on", but to put their "PFD's on, or their BV's, because apparently they're not allowed to call them "life jackets" anymore, becuase they dont have a 100% chance of saving your life.. They do however have a 100% chance of keeping you floating, or buoyant.. Anyone know about this outside Victoria? --Deon555^talk_Review 03:23, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

Yes, I am an Australian (Melbourne bred) living in New Zealand. I can tell you that the PFDs in question must have been, specifically, Buoyancy aids, made for kayaking or canoeing. I am a whitewater kayaking instructor and all instructors will stress their difference for safety reasons. They will not save your life neither should they be relied on absolutely to keep one afloat, hence the name "Buoyancy aid" (i.e they are to aid buoyancy, not ensure it - they DO NOT have a 100% chance of keeping you bouyant). Bennyboyz3000 10:42, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

Nothing is 100% except death and taxes and every sane person knows this. The Type I vests are intended to "usually" turn an unconscious person face up. I would say "usually" means approximately greater than 50% of the time for people with ordinary proportions and weight. Whether or not they will remain face up is unknown. Whether or not this includes extreme water conditions is unknown. Even wearing scuba gear cannot guarantee 100%. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.149.142.199 (talk • contribs) 21:17, 20 March 2007

We (in Qld) were told that only 'Type 1' PFDs could be called lifejackets (they have a collar to support the wearer's head, to keep it above water when unconscious, and use bright colours). 'Type 2' PFDs are usually used when canoeing / sailing away from the coast.

"Only the PFD Type 1 is acceptable as a life jacket – Types 2 and 3 are buoyancy vests and are intended for sports such as sailing and water skiing." [1]

--RobBrisbane (talk) 06:52, 31 October 2010 (UTC)

What ratings / standards are used where?

Australia has traditionally used types 1-3, but are now changing to AS4758, using ratings from 50S (buoyancy garment) to 150 (high performance life jacket, suitable for offshore). NMSC

Where are the existing ratings mentioned in the article (50N - 275N) from? An international standard? the USA? The article should clarify this, and list alternate rating systems used.

--RobBrisbane (talk) 07:02, 31 October 2010 (UTC)

redirect collision; alternate life preserver def

I just finished reading a Sherlock Holmes story, the Case of the Bruce-Partington Plans. A character in the story uses a weapon called a "life-preserver" to kill someone; from context it seems likely to mean a short club or billy stick of some sort, but might also be a sap. this should probably be researched, and the life preserver redirect changed to a disambig. -- Akb4 01:02, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

Who invented it?

Did James F. Boyle do it or Andrew Toti do it? It says "The B-4 was invented by James F. Boyle." and then goes on to say "Andrew Toti related that his mother was the inspiration for the invention of the Mae West life vest."

So who invented it first? It is kind of confusing.

Reply: Peter Markus actually did as the referenced two articles at the bottom indicate, one from the New York Times. But someone keeps undoing my edits correcting this. (C22) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.155.94.63 (talk) 20:52, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

Tags

Whoever did it, please do not remove tags if they are true without discussion. --UltraMagnus (talk) 08:42, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

Picture

Better picture of child's life vest needed to show understrap, and headrest. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Impassissum (talk • contribs) 22:19, 28 November 2008 (UTC)

Lifebuoy?

Found the article Lifebuoy. Merge? 63.87.189.17 (talk) 20:18, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

Not sure that is going to add clarity. That article will need expansion though. Argybargybob (talk) 14:30, 10 November 2010 (UTC)

Buoyancy Compensation Device instead of a lifejacket

I was wondering whether a Buoyancy Compensation Device could be used to replace lifejackets. Not sure whether BCD's have the same float strength and durability as lifejackets. Also not sure whether they allow a person to attain a suitable hight above the water surface (as divers generally stay below the water surface, eg nose just below it) and whether they allow to keep a person on the back when fully blown up. Also, only a small bottle (pony) can be used. However if possible, could allow to reduce costs as a lifejacket is always required on a vessel anyhow, thus eliminating double costs. KVDP (talk) 14:38, 8 January 2010 (UTC)