Talk:Airsoft gun

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Airsoft guns are highly detailed gun simulations for recreational purposes which fire nonlethal 6mm projectiles at muzzle speeds of 100 to 400 feet per second. A flying plastic BB, moving at such velocities can break bare skin however the plastic ammo that it shoots is too slow and light to penetrate the skin, and cause damage to internal organs. The number one danger from airsoft guns is they can damage the eyes and/or cause blindness. Another concern is the perception of this highly detailed sporting equipment in public and by police could result in your arrest and/or worse deadly force used against you.--Chad Joseph Wilson (talk) 11:15, 8 March 2009 (UTC) The safety website-hubpages.com/hub/Airsoft-Safety is blocked by Wikipedia. I am requesting removal from the list. The changes have been further edited citing the NRA gun safety website.--Chad Joseph Wilson (talk) 11:56, 8 March 2009 (UTC)

NPOV??

"similar in concept to Paintball, with the exception that airsoft is a military simulation that usually has objectives instead of constant 'deathmatches.'" seems not very neutral to me.

Airsoft in general is not similar to paintball at all, from the gear, to the style of match, to how the weapons operate and the ammunition used. I say the part about the similarities should be deleted. Oldtimerocker (talk) 08:01, 27 December 2009 (UTC)

while not the same, I have seen pictures of people playing "Speedball" but with airsoft guns. However, the two are VERY different. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Halofanatic333 (talk • contribs) 15:24, 14 January 2010 (UTC)

Movies

I think the quote in the beginning indicating that airsoft guns are used in movies should be removed. First of all, it doesn't cite any source (and if it cites an airsoft site, it won't be credible). Second, I know firsthand that the rumor of airsoft guns being used in movies is just that - a rumor - made up by the community that refuses to die. While airsoft guns are quite realistic, the fact they aren't capable of ejecting shell cases means that they aren't realistic enough for even most lower-budgeted productions.

The overwhelming majority of Hollywood films (and even most films made in other countries with stricter gun laws) still rely upon real firearms (or "real steel", as they're often called in airsoft) as "hero" props, whether the gun is firing or not, and blank cartridges for firing. Rubber guns are used for stunt work (i.e. firearms that get dropped or thrown). While I have heard of airsoft being used in very low-budget productions and occasionally used for background actors, this use is still limited and by no means mainstream.

EDIT: There are many airsoft guns on the market that eject shells, like the m1 garand and kar 98k for example. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.44.81.34 (talk) 10:14, 29 December 2007 (UTC)

Even if they did use the shell-ejecting airsoft guns, the guns would not be able to fire automatically,(In some cases, this would be necessary.)because the most modern of these can only fire semi-automatically. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.63.212.8 (talk) 18:21, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

many movies and t.v. shows use airsoft guns. "Generation Kill," to my knowledge, used Classic Army guns. On Arnies Airsoft there used to be a picture thread about movies with airsoft guns. Halofanatic333 (talk) 15:10, 14 January 2010 (UTC)

SoftAir

In the begining of the article, in the part about softair guns, it should be kept that Cybergun manufacturers it as SoftAir.

Merger

No merger. Airsoft got its Good Article status removed cause it was too long, so these pages were made. They should stay. --UNHchabo 04:50, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

I agree, besides issues of article length, I feel the two concepts are different and separate enough; one is the sport and the other the gun/toy which many people buy or use without participating in the sport. Deon Steyn 06:23, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

BB guns

I thought the section was useful, as it provided a distinct difference between airsoft guns and BB guns. Otherwise people might get the misconception that they are the same thing, or that BB guns are ok to use in airsoft games. Reply here if you disagree. --UNHchabo 04:03, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

I'm removing parts about BB guns that don't relate to airsoft, i.e. how they work.

Recreational Weapons

I added RW as a category.Daedalus275 21:30, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

Misconceptions

That said, a certain Asahi M700 airsoft rifle was produced in 1993, and it was possible to convert it to fire real .22 rounds. Upon discovery of this,
all M700's were recalled back for destruction, and 40 were unaccounted for. Production of the Asahi M700 has been stopped since. This is the only
airsoft rifle in the world to date that can be converted to fire live ammunition.

I took out this section unless someone can come up with a verifiable source. --UNHchabo 18:03, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

I've seen pics where people have converted a AUG to fire fire .22's. However, a .22 was needed as part of the project, so the the airsoft component was little more than the outer shell.WikiMan78 06:33, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

Who ever wrote it is false to convert airsoft to real firearm obviously has no idea how they converted it. They use the full metal verison (more expensive $500-1000 US) as a base structure, skeleton to build a firearm. So it doesn't really matter. The Chamber is completely build by "underground factory". There's many news related to this especially in Taiwan(I was born there and lived there for 10 years) There's even suspecting of the assassination weapon on President of Taiwan is one of these. [[]User:Kullwarrior|Kullwarrior] —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Kullwarrior (talk • contribs) 09:10, August 22, 2007 (UTC).

That assertion is completely false. Even a full metal version's insides are completely different to a real firearm. Not only that, the actual metal components aren't of the same type or strength of a real firearm and therefore won't withstand the forces of real rounds, the internal dimensions of these parts also do not match the real ones. Essentially there are NO PARTS you can use in a real firearm and even if you could use some of these parts, you would still have to create a barrel, magazine, trigger, extraction, firing pin, guide rods etc. etc. etc. Any information to the contrary shows a complete lack of knowledge of real firearms. This is pure and simple urban myth. Please provide reliable source, before making such statements again (see WP:ATTRIBUTION) --Deon Steyn 13:35, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

I can't pull off the news right now but google it you will probably find news reporting around Taiwan that relates to this case and they actually CAPTURES it. and the point of the airsoft converison is to SAVE steps not just simple converison indeed magazine, trigger etc will have to remake but they done it. I know the myth around simple converison but this is not a kids work it's heavy engineering to pull it off. User:Kullwarrior:Kullwarrior —The preceding signed but undated comment was added at 21:42, August 22, 2007 (UTC).

The notion of MPEG

I think that the name "MPEG" was a confusing misnomer since it was used for the first time. The so-called MPEGs are in fact normal AEGs, but of sometimes lower quality. Instead of using it, we should mention them in the main AEG definition. -- Mike West--84.10.20.238 18:41, 15 January 2007 (UTC)ricky is cool

There is a pretty big difference. Operationally they are similar but the manner in which they are researched, designed, and manufactured separates them from AEGs. It's like grouping a budget sedan with a sports car.--209.247.22.97 (talk) 22:57, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

But the main thing the separates an LPEG from an AEG is the difference in operating mechanism and lack of compatibility with aftermarket parts.Oldtimerocker (talk) 07:56, 27 December 2009 (UTC)

Generally LPEG is used to describe a low-price gun, and MPEG as a mid-price gun. AEG generally means high priced. A big difference between most LPEGS from MPEGS and AEGs is that LPEGs generally have plastic gear boxes.Halofanatic333 (talk) 15:12, 14 January 2010 (UTC)

Animated Diagram

It appears the spur gear is moving backwards in the animated gearbox picture. Can someone with animation skills fix this??

Legal Issues

It seems to me that everything in the Trademark Problems section ought to be moved to the "Legal Issues in airsoft" page. What say the rest of you? ApokalypseCow (talk) 20:51, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

Remaining NPOV, original research concerns

I've tagged the article as such, as it needs major cleanup, many parts even a complete blank then rewrite. Help to remove the:

• Bias ("These guns are less suited for...")
• Advice on purchasing ("The other major advantage that spring weapons...")
• USA prices ("True AEGs can range from $200-$550...")
• Original research ("Almost all airsoft players at some point own a spring weapon...")

These are just minor examples. Help to fix them and you'll be doing the article a favor. References are obviously needed as the article progresses. Pumpmeup 22:10, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

US prices are used in any article that does not reference a specific country. If this was about British Airsoft then prices should be in GBP, but as this is non-specific, USD is fine. RWJP (talk) 09:09, 22 September 2009 (UTC)

I don't think the issue is the currency but rather the fact that the prices themselves are only true for the US. They aren't "airsoft prices", they're "US airsoft prices". Fysidiko (talk) 18:24, 19 April 2010 (UTC)

Tanaka?

Is there an article for the Tanaka company? Im can't find it. --24.21.148.155 (talk) 05:15, 28 February 2009 (UTC)

MP5 or AK series?

On the article it says the MP5 and Armalite series of weapons are the most popular but I believe it should be the Armalite and AK Series. Oldtimerocker (talk) 07:51, 27 December 2009 (UTC)Oldtimerocker

I personally tend to see less AKs than MP5s, so perhaps, all three series should be mentioned? RWJP (talk) 09:32, 27 December 2009 (UTC)

Okay I've changed it, cleared up some of the grammar, and edited one detail. Change it as you wish but the AK/MP5 problem is now solved. Oldtimerocker (talk) 03:18, 28 December 2009 (UTC)

All looks good to me, thanks for the work! RWJP (talk) 12:16, 28 December 2009 (UTC)

I believe that MP5's are more popular; however, Ak's are on the rise and more and more people are beginning to buy them. Another popular gun, is an M4, or even the G3's are quite popular. But, I do see more MP5's than anything else at the moment. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Innocent3d (talk • contribs) 17:20, 3 June 2010 (UTC)

Merge Standard Cap and Low Cap Magazine sections

Technically, Standard and Low Caps are the same thing, a point bought up by Venomcuz.

As such, i'm wondering whether we should merge the two sections together, renaming them something like "Standard/Low Cap Magazine" and taking the best bits from both.

What do we all think? I'll start a draft version on my Sandbox which everyone can access via my userpage soon to see if I can work out something. RWJP (talk) 08:55, 29 January 2010 (UTC) I think that is an excellent idea. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Innocent3d (talk • contribs) 17:22, 3 June 2010 (UTC)

LPEG and MPEG

In the article it states that it stands for Low-powered, and mid-powered. Quite honest;y, outside of this article, I've never heard of them being called this. Not all MPEG's have a lower FPS than AEGs. Truthfully, according to the sections naming, that means a Tokyo Marui would be a MPEG. I've always heard of LPEG, MPEG, and AEG refer to the pricing of the guns. Low, mid, and high (respectively). I believe this article should be edited to reflect this. The LP and MP refers to the price/quality. For example, Echo 1's and JG's are often considered MPEG's, due to their pricing. They are known to run hot (mainly JG) at stock. These reasons are few, but take a look around forums and you will see what I am talking about. Halofanatic333 (talk) 12:31, 3 February 2010 (UTC)

Aye, good spot there. Perhaps it would be worth making LPEG and MPEG as a single subsection of AEG, stating what they are. The MPEG section does mention the quality levels, but it needs to be cleaned up. Do you want to start on a draft of some sort?

RWJP (talk) 10:02, 4 February 2010 (UTC)

I can work on it later, right now I'm just on my morning internet "breeze" (school starts soon). I'll type it out on Word before I put it up on here before we can add it to the article. However, LPEG's and MPEG's are not anywhere near the same in quality, but they should only be subsections under AEG. Halofanatic333 (talk) 12:40, 4 February 2010 (UTC)

Honestly, I hate typing but I'm about to start, so what should I make sure to include?

EDIT: Okay, I know it's not great, but it can be used as a starting point (I typed it rather quickly):

AEGs, MPEGs, and LPEGs are the three main categories of electric guns (excluding mini’s). The titles reflect the cost and quality of the guns, high, medium, and low, respectively. Common AEGs are things like Classic Army’s proline and Tokyo Marui. Companies such as D-Boys, JG, and CYMA make MPEGs. MPEGs are generally made of lower cost/quality materials, and are widely popular due to the fact that they are a great deal. MPEGs have the metal gearboxes seen in AEGs. Some MPEGs come “hot” (high fps) stock, such as the JG line, they tend to run at a higher fps than stock Tokyo Marui guns. LPEGs, or LPAEGs, are cheaper alternatives then MPEGS. Their gearboxes tend to be made of plastic or extremely low quality metal. They tend to strip quite easily due to these reasons. LPEGs generally have cheap plastic bodies as well. As far as price goes, AEGs are usually over $250 in cost, MPEGs ranging from $1 00 to $200, and LPEGs are usually under $100.

Halofanatic333 (talk) 13:24, 4 February 2010 (UTC)

Getting there, definitely. Here's my version of yours, edited a little:

AEGs, MPEGs, and LPEGs are the three main categories of electric guns (excluding mini’s). The titles reflect the cost and quality of the guns, high, medium, and low, respectively. 'AEG', at the higher end of the spectrum, encompasses guns made by companies like Tokyo Marui, Classic Army, ICS and G&G, amongst others. These guns are considered the highest quality available on the market and tend to be made of the very best materials available, including high-quality metal bodies where appropriate, and metal gearboxes. MPEGs are made by companies such as D-Boys, JG, and CYMA. MPEGs are generally made of lower cost/quality materials, but are widely popular due to the fact that they are a great deal cheaper than 'high-end' AEGs whilst offering similar performance. As with AEGs, MPEGs have the metal gearboxes which increases the life span of the gun. Some MPEGs come “hot” (high fps) stock, such as the JG line, and tend to run at a higher fps than stock Tokyo Marui guns. LPEGs, or LPAEGs, are cheaper alternatives than MPEGs. Their gearboxes tend to be made of plastic or extremely low quality metal. Internal components of the gearbox are also made of low quality plastics or metals, meaning parts such as gears tend to break easily. LPEGs generally have cheap plastic bodies as well. As far as price goes, AEGs are usually over $250 in cost, MPEGs ranging from $100 to $200, and LPEGs are usually under $100.

Just my suggestion, collaboration is key! RWJP (talk) 18:00, 4 February 2010 (UTC)

I think we could mention that many times LPEGs are extremely marked up in stores. I like your version more, but we still need to continue working on it. Halofanatic333 (talk) 14:57, 5 February 2010 (UTC)

was wondering if we were still going to work on this to put in the article's page? Halofanatic333 (talk) 16:29, 19 February 2010 (UTC)

Reasoning?

Should it be added that the rise in popularity for the P90 and G36 may be because of Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare? 72.160.140.72 (talk) 01:44, 26 July 2010 (UTC)

If you can provide sources that prove that Modern Warfare caused the popularity of any guns, then please feel free to add it. RWJP (talk) 15:33, 25 January 2011 (UTC)

Gas Guns and Temperature

With a little application of the combined gas law, I found that the difference in volume when firing a gun at 10 degrees farenheit, as opposed to 70, was 2.59E5 ATM's. If my math (and reasoning) is correct, then the difference in performance due to temperature should be negligible. I haven't fired my gas gun at that low temperature, but I was barely noticing any difference between 70 and 35, and even that could have been imagined. Could someone confirm? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.17.213.90 (talk) 06:34, 6 December 2010 (UTC)