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==Andrew Cuomo== |
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[[Image:Information.svg|25px|alt=|link=]] Your recent edit to the page [[:Andrew Cuomo]] appears to have added incorrect information and has been [[Help:Reverting|reverted]] or removed. All information in this encyclopedia must be [[Wikipedia:Verifiability|verifiable]] in a [[Wikipedia:Identifying reliable sources|reliable]], published source. If you believe the information that you added was correct, please [[Wikipedia:Citing sources|cite the references or sources]] or before making the changes, and discuss them on the article's [[Wikipedia:Talk page guidelines|talk page]]. Please use the [[Wikipedia:Sandbox|sandbox]] for any tests that you wish to make. Do take a look at the [[Wikipedia:Welcoming committee/Welcome to Wikipedia|welcome page]] if you would like to learn more about contributing to our encyclopedia. Thank you.<!-- Template:uw-error1 --> |
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Although you are right that his swearing in ceremony was yesterday evening, 12/31/10, he did not officially take office until 12:01 AM Saturday. Please refrain from making this erroneous edit again. [[User:Sinisterminister|Sinisterminister]] ([[User talk:Sinisterminister|talk]]) 18:25, 1 January 2011 (UTC) |
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:Regardless of this fact, the subject matter that is more important, especially for the introductory paragraph, is the date he took office. The fact that he had a small ceremony a half hour before midnight is entirely inconsequential to what is officially, legally recognized. If you would still like to offer this fact for consideration in this page, I would suggest you place it further down in the body of the article, and provide much more context for the condition of his swearing in, including the broader ceremonial activities that took place — overshadowing this event — on the following day. In order to be an effective editor on Wikipedia, it is important to understand which information is appropriate where, so I have pasted a welcoming template with more information to help orient you. This welcome also includes information on how to properly sign your name on talk pages. Please also reference the [[Wikipedia:Talk page guidelines|Talk page guidelines]] when responding to me or commenting on any other talk pages. [[User:Sinisterminister|Sinisterminister]] ([[User talk:Sinisterminister|talk]]) 19:30, 1 January 2011 (UTC) |
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::[[Image:Stop hand nuvola.svg|30px|alt=|link=]] This is your '''last warning'''; the next time you disrupt Wikipedia, as you did at [[:Andrew Cuomo]], you may be '''[[Wikipedia:Blocking policy|blocked]] from editing without further notice'''. <!-- Template:uw-generic4 --> Cuomo took office on January 1st. Primary point of importance. End of discussion. I have warned you several times, and will not continue to put up with your unprofessional, inconsiderate behavior, and will call in an editor to help arbitrate. [[User:Sinisterminister|Sinisterminister]] ([[User talk:Sinisterminister|talk]]) 20:55, 1 January 2011 (UTC) |
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:::It would be helpful if you provided a legitimate argument as to why you think December 31 is an important date for consideration in the introductory paragraph. Right now your argument can be summed up simply as "disagree". [[User:Sinisterminister|Sinisterminister]] ([[User talk:Sinisterminister|talk]]) 21:19, 1 January 2011 (UTC) |
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Paterson's term expired at midnight. New York didn't have 2 Governors in office, not even for a few minutes. [[User:GoodDay|GoodDay]] ([[User talk:GoodDay|talk]]) 22:21, 1 January 2011 (UTC) |
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==Edit warring== |
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Let me point out our [[WP:3RR|policy on edit warring]], which states ''"An editor must not perform more than three reverts on a single page within a 24-hour period. Undoing another editor's work—whether in whole or in part, whether it involves the same or different material each time—counts as a revert. Violations of the 3RR rule normally attract blocks of at least 24 hours."''. You've already crossed the 3RR boundary on [[Andrew Cuomo]] and further reverts may result in blocks. [[User:Dreadstar|Dreadstar]] <small>[[User talk:Dreadstar|<span class="Unicode">☥</span>]]</small> 22:25, 1 January 2011 (UTC) |
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:I've already addressed this [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Sinisterminister&diff=prev&oldid=405512383][http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Sinisterminister&diff=405416564&oldid=405392016], no need for you to poke your nose into it. I don't know in what world you think your actions would be appropriate, so claiming to be a 'rookie' is not a good defense - and with the knowledge of [[WP:V]] evidenced in [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Andrew_Cuomo&diff=405377608&oldid=405376779 this edit], I don't buy that you're a rookie at all. I’d suggest you revise [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Sinisterminister&diff=prev&oldid=405416564 your last edit] and just leave the apology, delete the rest. [[User:Dreadstar|Dreadstar]] <small>[[User talk:Dreadstar|<span class="Unicode">☥</span>]]</small> 16:31, 2 January 2011 (UTC) |
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::Please let my comments stand. Please do not suggest I revise comments and then revise them yourself. [[Special:Contributions/75.73.50.195|75.73.50.195]] ([[User talk:75.73.50.195#top|talk]]) 03:36, 4 January 2011 (UTC) |
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* [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Sinisterminister&diff=next&oldid=405818049 Once more] and you will be blocked. [[User:Dreadstar|Dreadstar]] <small>[[User talk:Dreadstar|<span class="Unicode">☥</span>]]</small> 03:48, 4 January 2011 (UTC) |
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:Excuse me, but once more what? Please don't threaten me. I think the record reflects that I am simply asking for a suitable source for when the Governor of New York took office. I would like to ask that we find a neutral editor arbitrate our dispute because you are no longer being courteous or objective. [[Special:Contributions/75.73.50.195|75.73.50.195]] ([[User talk:75.73.50.195#top|talk]]) 03:52, 4 January 2011 (UTC) |
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Please don't repeat what you did at the [[Governor of New York]] article. We've already explained to you, that assumption of office is what counts, not the EXACT time of the administration of the oath of office. [[User:GoodDay|GoodDay]] ([[User talk:GoodDay|talk]]) 02:45, 3 January 2011 (UTC) |
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:Don't worry. I won't. I stand corrected. Thanks for the civility. [[Special:Contributions/75.73.50.195|75.73.50.195]] ([[User talk:75.73.50.195#top|talk]]) 03:36, 4 January 2011 (UTC) |
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==Your recent edits== |
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[[Image:Information.svg|25px|link=]] Hello. In case you didn't know, when you add content to [[Wikipedia:Talk page|talk pages]] and Wikipedia pages that have open discussion, you must [[Wikipedia:Signatures|sign your posts]] by typing four [[tilde]]s ( ~~~~ ) at the end of your comment. You may also click on the signature button [[File:Insert-signature.png|link=Wikipedia:How to sign your posts]] located above the edit window. This will automatically insert a signature with your username or IP address and the time you posted the comment. This information is useful because other editors will be able to tell who said what, and when. Thank you. <!-- Template:uw-tilde --> --[[User:SineBot|SineBot]] ([[User talk:SineBot|talk]]) 16:11, 2 January 2011 (UTC) |
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==Blocked== |
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You have been blocked for continuing to [[WP:EDITWAR|edit war]] after being warned. [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Andrew_Cuomo&action=historysubmit&diff=405820319&oldid=405761886] [[User:Dreadstar|Dreadstar]] <small>[[User talk:Dreadstar|<span class="Unicode">☥</span>]]</small> 03:53, 4 January 2011 (UTC) |
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:I did not violate the 3-EP rule. I simply asked for a source. Can you please tell me how this is edit warring? |
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{{unblock reviewed | 1=This was not edit warring. I did not violate the 3-EP rule. I was simply asking for a source because the previous citation was simply removed and replaced with nothing. That Andrew Cuomo became the governor of New York on Jan 1 is perhaps "common knowledge" but it should have a source to it. Honestly, the New York Constitution says nothing about this and from what I've read, none of the news accounts actually say where they got their information that the governor assumes office at 12:00 AM. In my opinion the New York Times article is original research and predicting the future, and I do not believe that a fiat by Dreadstar constitutes legitimate user discussion of this contention. In fact, after his single comment saying the source does not violate CRYSTAL, he closed the discussion himself five minutes later. I think there is grounds for legitimate disagreement here, and if I see a source that tells me otherwise that cites something verifiable (e.g. a statute, because I'm telling you its not in the Constitution) then I will be satisfied. But the fact needs a source. I pointed that out. And got blocked for it.| decline=You lost me at "This was not edit warring." [[WP:3RR]] is not an entitlement, it is merely one specific bright-line application of the edit warring policy. The rest of your request is not relevant to whether you edit-warred or not and was not considered. In the future pursue [[WP:DR|dispute resolution]] or [[WP:RFPP|request page protection]] instead of edit warring. [[User:Beeblebrox|Beeblebrox]] ([[User talk:Beeblebrox|talk]]) 04:08, 4 January 2011 (UTC)}} |
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{{unblock reviewed | 1=OK so the 3-EP rule is not an entitlement. I get that now. I'm still learning. But please explain to me how I was edit warring. I made an edit (asking for a source) on a different but related issue. There was a source before. Someone deleted the citation so there was no source now. I was simply asking for a valid source. Shouldn't be that hard to find a source if you really think it's obvious and factual that the governor was inagurated on Jan 1. Also, please don't threaten to call comcast. I am certainly not being abusive here. Just strenuously objecting, and I think helping to make wikipedia better sourced. | decline=You repeatedly made the same or substantially the same edit several times, in the face of others undoing that edit. That is what "edit warring" means. The fact that you believe you were justified in doing so does not mean that you were not doing so. Nothing else in your unblock request is relevant to the reason for the block. [[User:JamesBWatson|JamesBWatson]] ([[User talk:JamesBWatson|talk]]) 16:37, 4 January 2011 (UTC)}} |
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{{unblock reviewed | 1=I don't believe I was blocked for 3-EP. If so, both of us should have been blocked because it was just me and another editor warring. I believe I was blocked for asking for a cited source to be put into the opening paragraph of the Andrew Cuomo article. I only did this once, and was blocked for it. I think this was a punitive block for my previous actions three days ago. Please note wikipedia's blocking guidelines: "Note - deterrence is based upon the likelihood of repetition. For example, even though it might have been justifiable to block someone a short time ago when they made inappropriate edits, it may no longer be justifiable to block them right now - particularly if the actions have not been repeated, or the conduct issues surrounding the actions have since been resolved." I think if you actually go through the revision history and the discussion you'll see that I have a point. P75.73.50.195 (talk) 17:03, 4 January 2011 (UTC) | decline="''Deterrence is based on the likelihood of repetition''" ... yup, [[You Got That Right|you got ''that'' right, sho' got that right]]. In light of the behavior documented below, this request is being declined. I'd ''strongly'' suggest you give this a rest for a few days, or another admin may take that step for you. — [[User:Daniel Case|Daniel Case]] ([[User talk:Daniel Case|talk]]) 21:53, 4 January 2011 (UTC)}} |
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I would also add that the real world is not Wikipedia. Our content policies cannot and do not apply to material published in [[WP:RS|reliable sources]]. [[User:Daniel Case|Daniel Case]] ([[User talk:Daniel Case|talk]]) 04:12, 4 January 2011 (UTC) |
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:Sure, but surely we can find a source that wasn't written the day before the event in question happened.{{unsigned|75.73.50.195}} |
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::I suggest you approach this in a different way. Search around and find what you believe to be a suitable source per WP's policies and guidelines such as [[WP:V]] and [[WP:RS]], then suggest adding that source to the article on the article's talk page. Find consensus per [[Wikipedia:Consensus]] and move forward from there. I also suggest you create an account per the benefits and reasons outlined in [[Wikipedia:Why create an account?]]. |
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::Also be careful about what you post on other user's talk pages, what you did by copying [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:75.73.50.195&diff=405389337&oldid=405388702 my post], posting it on [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Sinisterminister&diff=prev&oldid=405512383 another user's talk page], then ignoring a [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:75.73.50.195&diff=405514824&oldid=405511947 notice that it was taken care of] and [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Sinisterminister&diff=next&oldid=405818049 edit warring to keep it there],can be viewed as [[WP:HARASS|harassment]] - not to mention being further evidence of your [[WP:EDITWAR|edit warring]]. [[User:Dreadstar|Dreadstar]] <small>[[User talk:Dreadstar|<span class="Unicode">☥</span>]]</small> 17:17, 4 January 2011 (UTC) |
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I have blocked you for 7 days for [[WP:EVADE|evading a block]] and [[WP:SOCK|sockpuppetry]].[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk%3AAndrew_Cuomo&action=historysubmit&diff=405951306&oldid=405825773][http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Andrew_Cuomo&diff=405946699&oldid=405820535][[User:Dreadstar|Dreadstar]] <small>[[User talk:Dreadstar|<span class="Unicode">☥</span>]]</small> 20:44, 4 January 2011 (UTC) |
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