User talk:DarrenRay

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Darren, if you want to contribute to wikipedia, you must write from a neutral point of view. Otherwise, your edits will be reverted. Xtra 02:23, 28 February 2006 (UTC)

Darren, you are not going to get acceptance for these edits, some of which are obviously silly, and you are not helping Andrew by trying to do so. My suggestion is that you go to the article's Talk page and provide a list of factual statements which you think the article ought to include, and of statements which you think ought to be removed, which can then be discussed, and the article edited in a manner that interested editors can agree on. Adam 03:53, 28 February 2006 (UTC)

If you make frivolous edits, you can't be surprised when unsympathetic editors revert your edits in toto. You are already labouring under the handicap of being a known participant in the matters under discussion. That doesn't prevent you editing, but it does mean your edits will be subject to greater scrunity, and rightly so. You therefore need to be very careful that all your edits are as NPOV as possible. I can't judge whether the current version of the article is defamatory. If you think it is, you should raise this on the Talk page and state your case. Adam 04:07, 28 February 2006 (UTC)

If you believe content about you is libelous add a {{Libel}} tag. Xtra 06:45, 28 February 2006 (UTC) Darren. I think you have me misunderstood. I voted for you in the MUSU elections and supported your general agenda (mostly the food voucher idea). My problem is that you are just changing the entire context of the article without even discussion anything first. Why don't you suggest what changes you would like to be made on its talk page and we can work through what is appropriate and what is not. Xtra 06:52, 28 February 2006 (UTC)

I could tell you, but then i'd have to kill you. Xtra 12:01, 28 February 2006 (UTC)

The idea is that all my edits can be traced back to me (being a cyber account) and i (as that account) am responsible to the wikipedia society and am suposed to obide by the rules and am subject to disciplinary sanctions. At least i do all my edits under a pseudonim, rather than from random IP's which cannot be traced. Xtra 12:13, 28 February 2006 (UTC)

HAhaha! fat chance! look at my edit history. One of my main objectives here is to keep things not too left wing, but I also try to keep everything accurate. I think you will find that Adam Carr is one of the relatively few wikipedia users who gives their real identity. Xtra 12:33, 28 February 2006 (UTC)

Not keep things too left wing? So overly right wing is the solution? I guess you think extreme left edited by extreme right = NPOV. That doens't add up. Lefty on campus 12:39, 28 February 2006 (UTC) --.

I think that proves that I am not a lefty. I am not a fan of McVeigh's, I am just interested in neutrality. Xtra 12:41, 28 February 2006 (UTC)

I have been having a "discussion" with him/her about the recognition of homosexuality by australian law. Xtra 12:43, 28 February 2006 (UTC)

Try to use preview

I would like to thank you for your contributions to Wikipedia. However, it is recommended that you use the preview button before you save; this helps you find any errors you have made, and prevents clogging up recent changes and the page history. Thanks again. Where ^(talk) 02:43, 1 March 2006 (UTC)

Re: Melbourne University Student Union

Darren, regarding your question about external links, there's nothing wrong with having external links in articles which express a point of view, indeed it's almost always beneficial to include links to criticism of the subject. However, in accordance with Wikipedia's neutral point of view policy (NPOV), external links should reflect a balanced selection of a range of viewpoints. Given that you authored the site in question, and given your vested interest in this subject, it is hardly NPOV to present your link as the only one. I suggest that you consider collecting several links representing multiple points of view about the union before reinserting your link. --bainer (talk) 07:48, 1 March 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the heads up, added in a different perspective as you suggested and disclosed my interest in the edit summary. DarrenRay 09:26, 1 March 2006 (UTC)

Thank you Darren, I've left some comments on Talk:Melbourne University Student Union. It may also be useful to add a description of each link, since plain links are inherently ambiguous. --bainer (talk) 09:59, 1 March 2006 (UTC)

Me

I won't tell you who I am but I will tell you that I am related to one former Labor federal minister, one current state Liberal member and one possibly future federal Labor member who is challanging a former leader of your party. Xtra 10:31, 2 March 2006 (UTC)

On a technical point Darren. It is the liquidator is is responsible for the liquidation of the Union. Xtra 11:06, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

I don't mind you thinking lowly of me. Xtra 11:08, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

Dean McVeigh

Hi Darren, I thought I'd reply instead of the AFD page. I appreciate that you are looking for people to debate the notability issue, but I just don't think you should be taking people's comments as personal attacks. I've since read your website and I think I now understand why you were offended, but I honestly don't think Ambi or Cursive were directing that comment at anyone specifically. Also, I wouldn't be too worried about the AFD as it looks like it is going in the direction of being no consensus/keep. And yes, this is my real name. I'm not keen on anon editing. People seem to think they can avoid responsibility for what they write when they have a pseudonym to hide behind. If you're writing under your real name, you tend to give more thought to what you write. Sarah Ewart (Talk) 14:43, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

Anon edits

Hi - you have just joined a very large community which is reasonably well established and has recognised terminology - using the same words slightly differently is confusing. Anon edits are those that are from users who have not signed in - ie are using an IP address only. Some people prefer to contribute that way, that is fine. There are some things they cannot do, for example move pages, edit semi-protected pages, have their voice heard in community debate (It will generally be disregarded). There are others who edit under a user name. That is they are signed in. They may or may not use their real name. I don't. It does not make me anonymous - it makes me pseudonymous - quite different. I could claim to be Darren Ray - a real person - and still not be him. I am the sum of my edits on the wikipedia - no more no less. For privacy reasons, I do not wish to reveal my identity. Even if I did, who could say I was telling the truth? To judge me, or any other editor, you look at my edits.

Please refer to editors who are signed in, not as anon edits (it confuses the mug punter), but pseudonymous edits or the equivalent if you must. Thanks--A Y Arktos 19:57, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

• I draw your attention to the guidleine at Wikipedia:Etiquette, which among other useful bits of advice, states: Argue facts, not personalities. Your current stance is in breach of that guideline.--A Y Arktos 20:52, 3 March 2006 (UTC)