Talk:Kiss

Types of kisses

The image of the "tongue kiss," previously described as a "gay kiss," is questioned. First, there is no way to prove this is a "tongue" kiss, aka "French kiss." The earlier description as a "gay" kiss also seems irrelevant, since there is no discussion of "gay" kissing in the article. Nor is there any way to tell if they're both male. And if there was a way to tell, there would be no way to prove they were "gay." The article does describe kissing between males in various cultures, with a photo, but whether they are "gay" is irrelevant, since there is nothing mentioned that describes gay kissing as different from straight kissing.--Wikiwatcher1 (talk) 03:17, 2 March 2011 (UTC)

One could easily argue it is, as the section it is in is titled, an "Expression of affection and love". All we have to go by is what the original description says. By your logic, there is no way to tell the first pic is of a couple, since there is no link to the source saying that. Can you tell these two are young lovers? Your logic could be applied to nearly any of the pictures. CTJF83 11:34, 29 March 2011 (UTC)

Someone removed an image you added a while back, and you are restoring the image by violating guidelines to assume good faith, ie. relying on libel and giving an offensive rationale. The attempted explanation above simply avoids the request made on your talk page. And if you think that some of the image captions are wrong, feel free to revise them. But adding another image with an equally wrong caption is not helpful. --Wikiwatcher1 (talk) 19:27, 29 March 2011 (UTC)

Like I said, there was no reason to remove the picture. CTJF83 20:49, 29 March 2011 (UTC)

The fact that it was added with an erroneous rationale and an expressed POV, is reason enough. Besides that, there are plenty of photos of people kissing, all of them "affectionate."--Wikiwatcher1 (talk) 21:06, 29 March 2011 (UTC)

You fail to give me any other reason for it's removal. CTJF83 21:12, 29 March 2011 (UTC)

Ask whoever removed it, first. I charge a fee for clairvoyance work - plus you'll need an appointment.--Wikiwatcher1 (talk) 21:18, 29 March 2011 (UTC)

Put it on my tab!...I highly doubt the IP with one other edit will answer the question, or possibly even edit again. CTJF83 21:24, 29 March 2011 (UTC)

The top paragraph implies that this was not a neutral POV image addition. --Wikiwatcher1 (talk) 21:46, 29 March 2011 (UTC)

I already changed it to a better caption. CTJF83 21:48, 29 March 2011 (UTC)

RfC: Placement of kissing image

Should an image of gay kissing be given predominance in a general article about kissing?Wikiwatcher1 (talk) 01:13, 3 April 2011 (UTC)

The image moved to the "Contemporary kisses" section was done to conform to the section which discussed males kissing. It was renamed to better describe the photo which, for one, states "this photo of gay kiss," in its description page. In addition, it's used by another user discussing "gay sexual practices," and "homosexuality." It's also used on a few other related non U.S. articles discussing homosexuality. It's placement near the top of a general article about "kissing" is insisted upon by User:Ctjf83, who coincidentally states at the top of his own user page that "This user is proud to be gay." Simply relying on WP guidelines about obvious connections, it's reasonable to assume the photo is of gays kissing, at least that being the intent of the photo.

Placing it near to top throws off the balance of illustrations by giving obvious predominance to gay kisses, when, according to statistics gays comprise about 2% of the U.S. population. Including the image allows it to make up 10% of the photos, more than a balanced image, so its placement alongside text referring to male-male kissing, with a related photo, seems logical. It was restored with the rationale "no where in original Flickr caption does it say gay men," which makes no sense. --Wikiwatcher1 (talk) 23:01, 2 April 2011 (UTC)

If you look, the CAPTION on the original photo says "Kiss / Hiro at the Maritime Hotel / 20070910.10D.45462 / SML" where do you see the word gay? What kind of ignorant homophobia is "giving obvious predominance to gay kisses"?? There is one picture of a gay couple kissing. Your comments are ridiculous and further the homophobia on Wikipedia. There is no reason what so ever we can't have one picture of a same-sex couple kissing. Clearly if there was 5 or 10, ya, that would be ridiculous, there is no reason not to have 1. No where in Kiss#Contemporary_practices is the word "gay" mentioned, nor does it refer to same-sex kissing in a romantic sense, just in a greeting sense which is common in other parts of the world. CTJF83 23:15, 2 April 2011 (UTC)

If you click on the image, it states " this photo of gay kiss appeared on Flickr's most interesting among 18,000 others." I agree that the word "gay" is not mentioned in the text, however, which is another reason why the illustration lacks relevance. But this is not the first time you have casually accused editors of homophobia, without reason, to support your edits. When your slander was pointed out for an explanation on your talk page, your response was "How else would you explain an edit like this??? Removing the gay image only?" This kind of aggression, self-contradictions, and slanderous editing is highly disruptive, besides appearing immature in the extreme. It explains your deletion request of two "non-gay" males kissing, even though it does partially illustrate the text, whereas yours does not.--Wikiwatcher1 (talk) 23:46, 2 April 2011 (UTC)

What else would you call "giving obvious predominance to gay kisses"? I don't see you suggesting this pic be removed. By your logic, it should, because blacks are a minority, only 12% in the US and we wouldn't want to give "obvious predominance", that blacks are a majority in the world. CTJF83 00:09, 3 April 2011 (UTC)