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Pictorial poster?

This is cool - nice work. ---mav (reviews needed) 03:00, 2 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks! I did this more as a curiosity, but I think it might be worth moving it in the mainspace (many people have pictorial posters of the table, and this could have similar uses). Nergaal (talk) 03:39, 2 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

For that, I think something would need to be done about the copyrighted images... Lanthanum-138 (talk) 14:42, 3 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Aha! User:Lanthanum-138/Periodic_table_(pictures) Lanthanum-138 (talk) 15:28, 7 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

new Bi image in the PSE table

Do you like it? It is a typical view of Bi crystals. --Alchemist-hp (talk) 13:16, 2 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I'll try to get some better pictures

1) I have plenty (way too much if truth be known!) of Mercury, which is currently listed as a poor picture. What would be better? It sitting in a beaker? Being poured? A few drops? Lead floating in it? Give me some options and I'll take some pictures and upload them.

The idea of the current mercury image (pouring it) is fine, but it needs a neutral background (probably white) and without anything else in the image (like hands or bottles).Same thing for nitrogen. Nergaal (talk) 20:28, 1 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

2) I can easily make chlorine, but my fume hood is currently out of action. When it's back in action I'll make some and get a decent pic against a white background. I also have a method for liquifying it, so should be able to get a picture of at least a few drops of liquid chlorine. Fork me (talk) 20:16, 1 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Valued Pictures

That project was shut down and all the picture tags removed, so the table here needs adjusted to remove them since they don't exist now. — raeky t 14:58, 31 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Other elements

I found images for Rn and Th, but am not sure if they're real. Lanthanum-138 (talk) 04:28, 22 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Links? Nergaal (talk) 05:00, 22 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Btw, Th has to be not copyrighted because it is widely available (I think you can even buy it). Nergaal (talk) 05:01, 22 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Radon is here: File:Radon_RSC.jpg. Thorium is at http://www.rsc.org/Chemsoc/VisualElements/pages/data/thorium_data.html Lanthanum-138 (talk) 07:10, 22 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think the Rn one has the remotest chance of being real. The other RSC images I uploaded have some chance of being real, or at least they don't look fake like the Rn one. Nergaal (talk) 06:08, 23 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

They are both fake, Th is a computer render, also File:Protactinium_RSC.jpg and File:61 Pm 02 large.jpg are fake, making the NFCC rationale fairly week. — raeky t 14:36, 23 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

How about 200px? (ED: the current File:Radon.jpg is different... Lanthanum-138 (talk) 09:58, 16 April 2011 (UTC)) Lanthanum-138 (talk) 09:06, 26 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

pure fantasy ... it isn't real. --Alchemist-hp (talk) 13:09, 26 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Well, at least it's a representation...anyway, the French Wikipedia appears to actually use it! Lanthanum-138 (talk) 11:17, 27 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Fake element images

Lanthanum-138 (talk) 06:35, 2 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Removed above comment as images deleted. Lanthanum-138 (talk) 12:38, 7 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Links for missing pictures

Fr

F

http://www.chemie-master.de/FrameHandler.php?loc=http://www.chemie-master.de/pse/pse.php?modul=F
- Now at File:Fluorine liquid.jpg. Lanthanum-138 (talk) 08:40, 21 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
http://www.theodoregray.com/PeriodicTable/Elements/009/index.s7.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by Alchemist-hp (talk • contribs) 18:48, 24 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Better-quality images?

I notice that Cl, Ca, Se, Sr, Sn, Ba, Hg, Tl and Ra are marked as low-quality pictures. Possible replacements??

Cl (liquid)
Ca
Se
Sr
Sn
Ba
Hg
Tl

Lanthanum-138 (talk) 08:04, 3 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

My thoughts:

Cl: there is already a featured picture of liquid chlorine. the infobox should have a gaseous, or gaseous/liquid image
Ca: better technical quality, extremely oxidized sample; not better
Se: current infobox picture shows all three allotropes for comparrison
Sr: this picture might be better than the infobox picture, even with the oil it has
Sn: same as Se
Ba: is better than the current one (though a bit oxidized) but try to get a better crop
Hg: current one is interesting but has a poor background. a thermometer does not replace the liquid depiction
Tl: go ahead and replace the current one

Nergaal (talk) 08:47, 3 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Regarding the other pictures the site has listed, the ones for La, Eu, Gd, and Dy? are better than the currently-used pics. Nergaal (talk) 19:20, 3 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

My proposal:

calcium
strontium
barium

I hopy to take in the next 3-4 weeks better images then the current from Ca, Sr, Ba, Se, Sn, Hg and Tl. --Alchemist-hp (talk) 20:37, 3 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

More missing element images

Promethium is up: File:Pm,61.jpg, although the copyright notice at the bottom is a bit...anyway, it's very hard to find actual images of pure promethium. Lanthanum-138 (talk) 13:05, 7 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Same for polonium: File:Po,84.jpg. Lanthanum-138 (talk) 13:17, 7 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

A nicer francium: File:Fr,87.jpg. Lanthanum-138 (talk) 13:53, 7 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

More: File:Rn,86.jpg (radon), File:Pa,91.jpg (protactinium). Given that Theodore Gray is such an avid element collector, I think it's highly unlikely that these are fakes. Lanthanum-138 (talk) 14:32, 7 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Neither of these pictures should be infobox pictures. They do not contain the element in pure form therefore they should be only used down in the article. The infobox is for pictures of the pure elemental samples. Nergaal (talk) 22:43, 7 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

In fact I am sure that both the Rn and the Pa pictures are not justified by their NFP template as they show anything but the element. Nergaal (talk) 22:47, 7 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

File:Francium.jpg and File:Fr,87.jpg are the same and are both copyrighted. Only one should be kept. Nergaal (talk) 17:48, 8 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Missing element images (more)

Po

RaBr₂

http://www.chemie-master.de/FrameHandler.php?loc=http://www.chemie-master.de/pse/pse.php?modul=Ra (actually RaBr₂ - could use as "radium compounds")
- Now at File:Ra bromid.jpg. Lanthanum-138 (talk) 08:24, 18 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Th

Bk

http://books.google.com/books?hl=en&lr=&id=U-YOlLVuV1YC&oi=fnd&pg=PA29&dq=isolation+berkelium+metal&ots=x30I8qNINX&sig=7-oelge5hwsHYRMc1NIddPiEYrU#v=onepage&q&f=true
- page 42: is the image informative enough to pass NFP criteria? Nergaal (talk) 07:02, 2 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  - Looks about as good as Cf to me. Lanthanum-138 (talk) 14:24, 2 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
    - Now at File:Berkelium metal.jpg. Lanthanum-138 (talk) 13:56, 12 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Pa

Es

http://gotexassoccer.com/elements/099Es/Es.htm Nergaal (talk) 22:22, 13 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Now at File:Es-Yb alloy.jpg (given the near impossibility of finding an image of pure Es, this will have to do). Lanthanum-138 (talk) 10:44, 19 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  - Warning: the alloy image will not be in the infobox. With the minuscule amount of Es in there, it's practically Yb. Lanthanum-138 (talk) 11:02, 19 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
    - Deletion imminent. I will not try to save it (not salveagable). Lanthanum-138 (talk) 11:09, 19 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
http://www.nucleonica.net/wiki/index.php/Image:Einsteinium.jpg Lanthanum-138 (talk) 05:32, 3 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Now at File:Einsteinium.jpg. Lanthanum-138 (talk) 05:32, 3 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Rn

http://gotexassoccer.com/elements/086Rn/Rn.htm Nergaal (talk) 22:37, 13 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Now at File:Radon.jpg. Lanthanum-138 (talk) 10:03, 16 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  - Faked image, noone has ever had enough radon to fill a discharge tube. — raeky t 11:20, 18 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
    - What a pity. Unless this isn't fake (there is some chance given that it was actually published in a book), I'll have to add Rn to my "impossible!" list. Lanthanum-138 (talk) 12:38, 18 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
      - I wouldn't say it's IMPOSSIBLE, it's just not likely anyone has been able to get enough to fill a gas discharge tube with it... might be possible with huge budgets and a very small tube.. but I donno. A source would need to be far better then that image to confirm it I think. — raeky t 15:49, 3 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]
        I borrowed the MATTER book and got a description. :-) Lanthanum-138 (talk) 13:12, 26 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Other of interest:

Pm

http://www.theodoregray.com/PeriodicTable/Elements/061/index.s7.html Lanthanum-138 (talk) 12:38, 18 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Now at File:Promethium.jpg. Lanthanum-138 (talk) 10:59, 20 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

OK, what's still missing? I think what's currently missing is At, Ac, Th, Es, Fm. Since we're not likely to get At, Th (unless one of us buys some and photographs it), Es or Fm images, that really leaves just Ac to worry about. Lanthanum-138 (talk) 11:07, 20 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Pm₂O₃

http://gotexassoccer.com/elements/061Pm/Pm.htm
- Now at File:Pm oxide.jpg. Lanthanum-138 (talk) 09:30, 21 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

What are we just not going to get?

Here's a list of elements until fermium I don't think we're ever going to get images of (though I would love to be proven wrong).

Pm

... Lanthanum-138 (talk) 03:34, 1 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

At

Until they manage to do what they did for francium.
- Proven wrong, yet again! Hooray! File:Astatine.jpg. Lanthanum-138 (talk) 14:17, 12 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Rn

I forgot how many fakes have fooled us. File:Radon.jpg, File:Radon imitation.jpg, File:Radon RSC.jpg, File:Rn,86.jpg to name just those I've seen deleted. Lanthanum-138 (talk) 13:16, 29 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- We (for obvious reasons) don't like showing Rn from ThO₂, because it looks like the ThO₂ is the Rn to an unknowing reader, but maybe we could put a disclaimer...(um, it's a gas, doesn't look like much. File:Radon.jpg may have been a fake since it could have been really RnF₂, but at least it was a professionally published fake.) Lanthanum-138 (talk) 14:02, 3 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Ac

Please, this should be easier to get than Es... Lanthanum-138 (talk) 05:33, 3 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Th

Unless you, ahem, buy some following the instructions given at http://www.theodoregray.com/PeriodicTable/Elements/090/index.s7.html.
- I may in fact be proven wrong for this. Lanthanum-138 (talk) 03:54, 24 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  - And I have been! . Lanthanum-138 (talk) 09:43, 28 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Es

It's very hard to find pictures of pure Es - the best we can find is a Es-Yb alloy (which I would be glad to upload if necessary).
- Now at File:Es-Yb alloy.jpg. Lanthanum-138 (talk) 10:45, 19 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  - Deletion of that file is imminent. Lanthanum-138 (talk) 11:10, 19 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
    - Proven wrong again! Lanthanum-138 (talk) 05:32, 3 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Fm

I honestly don't know why we can't even find an alloy image! Lanthanum-138 (talk) 12:33, 18 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Fermium has not been isolated in macroscopic quantities (although it probably could be). Lanthanum-138 (talk) 03:20, 7 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Copyrighted images

Now, if you click the copyright symbol for the elements with only non-free images, you'll be transported to the non-free image file page rather than the copyright symbol file page (done with |link= stuff). Lanthanum-138 (talk) 10:38, 20 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Concerns

File:Promethium.jpg, File:Pm oxide.jpg and File:Polonium.jpg don't have reliable sources. Can anyone find real pictures with reliable sources?? (chemie-master.de I consider to be reliable as most of them are from Dr. A. Kronenberg at Los Alamos.) Lanthanum-138 (talk) 03:16, 22 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

OK, uploaded new versions of File:Pm oxide.jpg and File:Polonium.jpg (same source as File:Radon.jpg), but cannot find good pure promethium. Lanthanum-138 (talk) 07:46, 22 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Thorium crystals (specialised image)

Although Alchemist-hp has supplied a beautiful picture, thorium can also form crystals. Thus, to show this (rather rare) form of thorium, here we are - File:Thorium crystal.jpg! Lanthanum-138 (talk) 05:53, 3 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The last few missing element images

Disclaimer: Some entries are not actually that serious, but more desperate.

Pm

http://www.theodoregray.com/PeriodicTable/Elements/061/index.12.html - 99.5% purity (purported). From the RGB Company.
- The main difficulty about getting a promethium image is that most sites prefer to show it as the chloride (PmCl₃) glowing in the dark with ZnS and some binder. As a result, we have problems.
  - Um, apparently this is also PmCl₃. Bother. Lanthanum-138 (talk) 10:38, 6 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]
    - Bother. Lanthanum-138 (talk) 11:34, 9 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

At

http://www.periodictable.com/Samples/085.2/index.s12.html - I'm listing this basically out of desperation. It has no significant quantity of astatine in it, but sadly that's about the best you can do with an element like this. (ED NOTE - Purity < 0.0001%. Lanthanum-138 (talk) 10:35, 6 May 2011 (UTC))[reply]
Guinness Book of Records, 2008 - pg. 150, bottom right corner. Lanthanum-138 (talk) 03:17, 7 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Rn

http://theodoregray.com/PeriodicTable/Samples/086.1/index.s12.html - 5.2×10⁻¹⁷ g of Rn
http://www.theodoregray.com/PeriodicTableDisplay/Samples/086.1/index.s12.html - 100,000 atoms of Rn
http://theodoregray.com/PeriodicTable/Samples/086.2/index.s12.html - < 2% pure (really? the above are < 1% pure!)

Ac

http://www.webqc.org/periodictable-Actinium-Ac.html - about the worst image one could ever find, but hey, at least they got the colour right (sarcasm).

Fm

This is left as an exercise to the reader.
- Does anybody, however unrealiable, have even one fermium image?
It seems not to be the case. Lanthanum-138 (talk) 03:49, 7 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Alloy images may have some place in the main article, though. Lanthanum-138 (talk) 03:49, 7 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  - Fermium has not been isolated in pure form in macroscopic quantities, so it will be ignored until scientists do so.

Lanthanum-138 (talk) 14:13, 3 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Superheavy elements

For elements we can't get pictures of there seem to be 2 choices:

Use pictures of the namesakes of the elements. I don't like this, even though this is what most websites usually do. It leads to an out-of-place "portrait gallery", and besides, the infobox is meant for pure samples. Also, if a real image does come around (think of ), we'd have to switch. Finally, some really unknowing reader might think that it's a statue of Mendeleev made out of mendelevium!
Do not include a picture. I like this better, as it's less confusing to any reader.

So...thoughts? Lanthanum-138 (talk) 14:40, 3 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Element pictures

How is File:Mercury1.jpg for mercury? I know it is not high resolution but it appears quite clear. A photo for barium could be this one. Thanks for your thoughts. --Chemicalinterest (talk) 22:58, 11 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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 So...thoughts? [[User:Lanthanum-138|Lanthanum-138]] ([[User talk:Lanthanum-138|talk]]) 14:40, 3 May 2011 (UTC)
+== Element pictures ==
+How is [[:File:Mercury1.jpg]] for mercury? I know it is not high resolution but it appears quite clear. A photo for barium could be [[:File:Barium.jpg|this one]]. Thanks for your thoughts. --[[User:Chemicalinterest|Chemicalinterest]] ([[User talk:Chemicalinterest|talk]]) 22:58, 11 June 2011 (UTC)