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:::: Please indent your replies. You should sign your comments. I think you are making the mistake of generalizing from some special cases - suggest more and closer reading of that subject. [[User:Eddaido|Eddaido]] ([[User talk:Eddaido|talk]]) 11:46, 10 September 2011 (UTC) |
:::: Please indent your replies. You should sign your comments. I think you are making the mistake of generalizing from some special cases - suggest more and closer reading of that subject. [[User:Eddaido|Eddaido]] ([[User talk:Eddaido|talk]]) 11:46, 10 September 2011 (UTC) |
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::::: I don't have an account so signing my replies would only give an IP Address which would be invalid as soon as my router was rebooted. I'm not Generalising or looking at special cases, i'm following actual documented lines of succession that have given me these guidelines to look for. |
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[[Special:Contributions/86.151.183.144|86.151.183.144]] ([[User talk:86.151.183.144|talk]]) 13:32, 10 September 2011 (UTC) |
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Item for discussion
1 Alternative Lineage.
Elizabeth Talbot - 3rd Baroness Lisle d.1487
John Grey - 4th Baron Lisle (c1481 - 1504)- Elizabeth's son by Edward Grey.
Elizabeth Grey - 5th Baroness Lisle (c1480 - 1525) - sister to John Grey - married Edmund Dudley (c1462 - 17 Aug 1510)
1st child of Edmund & Elizabeth was John Dudley (c1501 - 22 Aug 1553) who was 1st Duke of Northumberland
John Dudley married Jane Guildford
children :-
John Dudley (c1527 - 21 Oct 1554) - 2nd Earl of Warwick
Ambrose Dudley (c1528 - 21 Feb 1590 - 3rd Earl of Warwick, 1st Baron Lisle
- General comment from general knowledge: women did not sit in parliament, their husband's did the job on their behalf - so scrub 3rd baroness Lisle and 5th baroness Lisle. Don't know why the others are numbered as they are, possibly just one of those quirky little mediaeval things! Eddaido (talk) 11:20, 10 September 2011 (UTC)
- True they didn't sit in parliament but if the husband alread had a more senior title then their "Title" inherited as the only remaining heir from their father still incremented the count before passing to a Junior male from the next Generation.
- Clearly The Earl of Warwick is a more Senior Title so ehen the Barony of Lisle was Recreated in 1551 it went to the 2nd son Ambrose.
- True they didn't sit in parliament but if the husband alread had a more senior title then their "Title" inherited as the only remaining heir from their father still incremented the count before passing to a Junior male from the next Generation.
- Please indent your replies. You should sign your comments. I think you are making the mistake of generalizing from some special cases - suggest more and closer reading of that subject. Eddaido (talk) 11:46, 10 September 2011 (UTC)
- I don't have an account so signing my replies would only give an IP Address which would be invalid as soon as my router was rebooted. I'm not Generalising or looking at special cases, i'm following actual documented lines of succession that have given me these guidelines to look for.
- Please indent your replies. You should sign your comments. I think you are making the mistake of generalizing from some special cases - suggest more and closer reading of that subject. Eddaido (talk) 11:46, 10 September 2011 (UTC)