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== Welcome ==
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'''<font face="Arial">[[User:Acroterion|<font color="black">Acroterion</font>]] <small>[[User talk:Acroterion|<font color="gray">(talk)</font>]]</small></font>''' 18:17, 8 September 2011 (UTC)

==[[Wikipedia:Criteria for speedy deletion|Speedy deletion]] nomination of [[:John Maxson Stillman]]==
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A tag has been placed on [[:John Maxson Stillman]] requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under [[WP:CSD#A7|section A7 of the criteria for speedy deletion]], because the article appears to be about a person or group of people, but it does not indicate how or why the subject is important or significant: that is, why an article about that subject should be included in an encyclopedia. Under the [[WP:CSD#Articles|criteria for speedy deletion]], such articles may be deleted at any time. Please [[Wikipedia:Notability|see the guidelines for what is generally accepted as notable]].

If you think that this notice was placed here in error, contest the deletion by clicking on the button labelled "Click here to contest this speedy deletion". Doing so will take you to the talk page where you will find a pre-formatted place for you to explain why you believe the page should not be deleted. You can also visit the '''[[Talk:John Maxson Stillman|the page's talk page directly]]''' to give your reasons, but be aware that once tagged for ''speedy'' deletion, if the page meets the criterion, it may be deleted without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag yourself, but don't hesitate to add information to the page that would render it more in conformance with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. If the page is deleted, you can contact [[:Category:Wikipedia administrators who will provide copies of deleted articles|one of these administrators]] to request that the administrator [[Wikipedia:Userfication#Userfication_of_deleted_content|userfy]] the page or email a copy to you. <!-- Template:Db-notability-notice --> <!-- Template:Db-csd-notice-custom --> [[User:Inks.LWC|Inks.LWC]] ([[User talk:Inks.LWC|talk]]) 02:11, 15 September 2011 (UTC)
==Removing Speedy at [[John Maxson Stillman]]==
{{#ifeq: no | yes | Hi Have mörser, will travel, you recently removed a deletion tag from [[John Maxson Stillman]]. Because Wikipedia policy [[WP:CSD|does not allow]] the creator of the page to remove speedy deletion tags, an [[WP:BOT|automated program]] has replaced the tag. Although the deletion proposal may be incorrect, removing the tag is not the correct way for you to contest the deletion, even if you are more experienced than the nominator. Instead, please use the talk page to explain why the page should not be deleted. Remember to be patient, there is no harm in waiting for another experienced user to review the deletion and judge what the right course of action is. As you are involved, and therefore potentially biased, you should refrain from doing this yourself. Thank you,| [[Image:Information.svg|25px|alt=|link=]] [[Wikipedia:Introduction|Welcome]] to Wikipedia, thank you for taking the time to create a page here. It might not have been your intention, but you recently removed a [[Wikipedia:Speedy deletions|speedy deletion]] tag from a page you created yourself. Because Wikipedia policy [[WP:CSD|does not allow]] the creator of the page to remove deletion tags, an [[WP:BOT|automated program]] has replaced the deletion tag you removed from [[John Maxson Stillman]]. Please do not continue to remove the deletion tag, instead, if you disagree with the deletion, you can follow these steps:
#Go to the page by clicking [[John Maxson Stillman|this link]]. Once there, select the button that says <span class="plainlinks">[{{fullurl:{{TALKPAGENAME:John Maxson Stillman}}|action=edit&section=new&preload=Template:Hangon_preload&preloadtitle=This+{{pagetype|subjectspace=yes}}+should+not+be+speedy+deleted+because...+}} <b style="color: black;">Click here to contest this speedy deletion</b>]</span>.
#This will take you to the talk page, where you can make your case by explaining why the page does not meet Wikipedia's [[WP:CSD|criteria for speedy deletion]].
Administrators will look at your reasoning before deciding what to do. For further help about the deletion, you could contact the user who first placed the tag or a [[Wikipedia:Highly Active Users|highly active user]] who is willingly to help with deletion. This message was left by a bot, so please do not contact the bot about the deletion. Thank you,}} - [[User:SDPatrolBot|SDPatrolBot]] ([[User talk:SDPatrolBot|talk]]) 02:14, 15 September 2011 (UTC)
:: I was editing the article. I didn't know what the "db-person" template meant. I thought "db" stood for database. The article cites academic journal sources that '''obviously''' state the importance of this person "a pioneer of the history of science in the United States", a claim which has been reproduced in the Wikipedia article. [[User:Have mörser, will travel|Have mörser, will travel]] ([[User talk:Have mörser, will travel#top|talk]]) 02:18, 15 September 2011 (UTC)

== [[Seoul Land]] ==

What was your rationale for removing the speedy deletion tag from [[Seoul Land]]? Where is there any indication of significance? [[User:Inks.LWC|Inks.LWC]] ([[User talk:Inks.LWC|talk]]) 01:27, 16 September 2011 (UTC)
: It's included in many travel guides for Korea. [[User:Have mörser, will travel|Have mörser, will travel]] ([[User talk:Have mörser, will travel#top|talk]]) 01:30, 16 September 2011 (UTC)
:::Yet you have yet to provide more than one reliable source for the article. If it is truly significant, you should source it and then remove the speedy deletion tag. [[User:Inks.LWC|Inks.LWC]] ([[User talk:Inks.LWC|talk]]) 01:32, 16 September 2011 (UTC)
:::: Is there a rule somewhere that articles need to have more than one reliable source? And is there a rule that the speedy deletion tag can only be deleted afterwards? From CSD#A7 it seems the opposite is the case: "The criterion does not apply to any article that makes any credible claim of significance or importance even if the claim is not supported by a reliable source or does not qualify on Wikipedia's notability guidelines." [[User:Have mörser, will travel|Have mörser, will travel]] ([[User talk:Have mörser, will travel#top|talk]]) 01:59, 16 September 2011 (UTC)
:::::But the article did NOT make a claim of significance. That was the problem. And when I tagged the article, it had no references and only stated that it was an amusement park, which clearly does not make any claim of significance. When you removed the tag, the article still had no claim of significance and did not have any references. [[User:Inks.LWC|Inks.LWC]] ([[User talk:Inks.LWC|talk]]) 18:07, 19 September 2011 (UTC)
:::::: Give me a break. That was three days ago. I hope you're not objecting to the current article. [[User:Have mörser, will travel|Have mörser, will travel]] ([[User talk:Have mörser, will travel#top|talk]]) 18:11, 19 September 2011 (UTC)
:::::::No - the article as it stands now is a good stub. But for you to tell me that it shouldn't have been tagged as such when I originally tagged it is ridiculous. [[User:Inks.LWC|Inks.LWC]] ([[User talk:Inks.LWC|talk]]) 18:13, 19 September 2011 (UTC)
:::: Anyway, I've added more references to the article. [[User:Have mörser, will travel|Have mörser, will travel]] ([[User talk:Have mörser, will travel#top|talk]]) 02:01, 16 September 2011 (UTC)
:::: Looking at your talk page and edit history, you seem to have significant trouble understanding or following deletion rules. Perhaps you should slow down from tagging for deletion umpteen articles per hour, and spend more time improving articles. [[User:Have mörser, will travel|Have mörser, will travel]] ([[User talk:Have mörser, will travel#top|talk]]) 02:04, 16 September 2011 (UTC)

== [[Gunpowder]] ==

:That was user supervised bot edit. At first change 'wrong' links at de.wiki before undoing and complaining. If [[:de:Schießpulver]] links to articles about [[:en:Gunpowder]] then article "Gunpowder" should link to "Schießpulver". But if you add some links to one article, some to other you just make confusion. [[User:Hugo.arg|Hugo.arg]] ([[User talk:Hugo.arg#top|talk]]) 12:02, 22 September 2011 (UTC)
:: The de wiki link is not wrong. In modern German Schießpulver means [[firearm propellant]] [http://books.google.com/books?id=VwUQLUp2piUC&pg=PA252] for which there is no exact English Wikipedia article match. Before the advent of [[smokeless powder]]s and [[nitrocellulose]] explosives, Schwarzpulver was sometimes subdivided in Sprengpulver (blasting powder) and Schießpulver (shooting powder, in direct translation) based on intended usage with small variations in formulation. [http://books.google.com/books?id=DN0BKmptdY4C&pg=PA28] Since them, Schießpulver became generic to include other kinds of "shooting powder" and Sprengpulver became generic for all kinds of explosives. You should not code your bot or make your edits expecting natural languages to have 1:1 match for all terms. Also, in your post above the English is rather poor, so perhaps you should not be the one engaging in such tasks, bot-assisted or not. [[User:Have mörser, will travel|Have mörser, will travel]] ([[User talk:Have mörser, will travel#top|talk]]) 12:38, 22 September 2011 (UTC)

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==References to my book in articles==
Hi! Thanks very much for your attempts to improve the references to my book, ''Through the Jade Gate to Rome'', which I can see are well-intentioned. Unfortunately, the way you have been doing it has probably breached Wikipedia guidelines which led to me receiving this notice on my talk page today (which I will paste in below). Please have a look at the discussion at [[Wikipedia:Conflict of interest/Noticeboard#User:John Hill]] so you can see what the problem is and avoid doing it in future.

:"Your edits are under discussion"

:This is a courtesy notice that I have brought certain of your edits under discussion at [[Wikipedia:Conflict of interest/Noticeboard#User:John Hill]]. --[[User:Orangemike|<font color="darkorange">Orange Mike</font>]] &#x007C; [[User talk:Orangemike|<font color="orange">Talk</font>]] 13:44, 28 September 2011 (UTC)

Thank you for your interest in my book - but I hope you will see how it is negatively affecting my reputation on the WP. Do leave me a note on my talk page if you have any concerns. All best wishes, [[User:John Hill|John Hill]] ([[User talk:John Hill|talk]]) 22:59, 28 September 2011 (UTC)

====Just to let you know====
I have just discovered that you have set me up (by adding a "pipe" link to my name) and then attacked me and my credibility on the Talk page of the article on the ''li'' and I have written this reply at: [[Wikipedia:Conflict of interest/Noticeboard#User:John Hill]] and [[User:Orangemike|<font color="darkorange">Orange Mike</font>]] &#x007C; [[User talk:Orangemike|<font color="orange">Talk</font>]] 13:44, 28 September 2011 (UTC):

:I would also like to point out that I have been set up and then subjected to an unwarranted personal attack by [[User:Have mörser, will travel|Have mörser, will travel]] on the Editing Talk:Li(unit) page at [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Li_%28unit%29]] You can see my reply there. Can someone please do something to stop this sort of unfair attack? Sincerely, [[User:John Hill|John Hill]] ([[User talk:John Hill|talk]]) 01:06, 29 September 2011 (UTC)
:: I have replied on the noticeboard and on the article's talk page. [[User:Have mörser, will travel|Have mörser, will travel]] ([[User talk:Have mörser, will travel#top|talk]]) 17:04, 29 September 2011 (UTC)
:: Also, discussing you qualifications and reputation as a historian is not prohibited by [[WP:NPA#WHATIS]]. In the absurd case that it were so, it would be impossible to follow [[WP:NPOV]] as the content in this case is sourced from your book. [[User:Have mörser, will travel|Have mörser, will travel]] ([[User talk:Have mörser, will travel#top|talk]]) 18:17, 29 September 2011 (UTC)

== About Seoul Land. ==

I've finished uploading the picture in Wikimedia Commons. Sorry for the late reply. --[[User:Bart0278|<span style="color:cornflowerblue">User:Bart0278</span>]] <small><span style="color:mediumturquoise">([[User Talk:Bart0278|<span style="color:mediumturquoise">talk</span>]] · [[Special:Contributions/Bart0278|<span style="color:mediumturquoise">cont.</span>]])</span></small> 04:32, 2 October 2011 (UTC)
: Thank you! Don't worry about the delay. [[User:Have mörser, will travel|Have mörser, will travel]] ([[User talk:Have mörser, will travel#top|talk]]) 04:33, 2 October 2011 (UTC)

== Dear lord, please learn to use the preview button. ==

Please please please learn how to use the preview button. The revision history of William Muir is an absolute mess because you have made ~75 edits in the last two days, and most of them are minor wording changes. Saving every minor change makes review of your edits nearly impossible, and will often lead to rollbacks and reverting to previous versions. Please preview every edit you make to an article, and make sure that consecutive edits are substantive. A single incident of making a substantive edit followed by a minor change is significantly different from several dozen in a row. [[User:Vanisaac|Van]][[User talk:Vanisaac|Isaac]]<sub><small>[[WP:WikiProject Writing systems|WS]]</small></sub><sup style="margin-left:-2.9ex">[[Special:Contributions/Vanisaac|contribs]]</sup> 11:13, 2 October 2011 (UTC)
: "will often lead to rollbacks and reverting to previous versions." That has never happened to me before. The only time it happened is when someone strongly disagreed with part of the (sourced) contents. [[User:Have mörser, will travel|Have mörser, will travel]] ([[User talk:Have mörser, will travel#top|talk]]) 16:39, 2 October 2011 (UTC)
: In fact [[Wikipedia:Editing policy]] says something that jibes with my common sense: that in controversial articles ''large'' changes (rather than incremental ones) are more likely to be reverted. [[User:Have mörser, will travel|Have mörser, will travel]] ([[User talk:Have mörser, will travel#top|talk]]) 17:00, 2 October 2011 (UTC)
: Besides, the history tab allows one to select a grup of time-contiguous edits and see them as one diff, so the argument that reviewing multiple consecutive edits by one editor is much more difficult than reviewing a single large edit is rather tenuous. [[User:Have mörser, will travel|Have mörser, will travel]] ([[User talk:Have mörser, will travel#top|talk]]) 18:21, 2 October 2011 (UTC)

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