Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Max Payne: Payne & Redemption

Max Payne: Payne & Redemption

I am quite puzzled by this extraordinary level of uptightness from what I USED to regard as an easy-going, well run online resource. This small page can hardly be doing any damage to the massive, global servers of the almighty Wikipedia. Since its inception, the page has generated a lot of interest from fans of Max Payne and is a useful source of publicity for the film, so I am genuinely disappointed that it has been "nominated for deletion" - I mean, how anally-retentive can a website be that they would deny a small, independent film (which will be available in the US!) the tremendous benefits of a mere page on this resource. So go ahead, you sad, petty, arrogant, self-righteous, stuck-up faggots - delete the page - prove to the world once again that you can 'stick it to the little guy', that there is no help out there for up-and-coming film makers, for independent films. Well done, you've won and I hope it feels great - now go home and boil some babies or something. Oh, and seeing as you're supposed to be an encyclopaedia, you should appreciate the need for correct grammar - "and 131 Google results, coupled with being rejected 5 times from IMDb don't really help the case" - "doesn't really help the case.", thank you very much.

Wikipedia does not exist for the purposes of being "a useful source of publicity" for anything. Dpbsmith (talk) 16:24, 14 April 2006 (UTC)

While I'm a huge fan of Max Payne, and this movie looks good, we unfortunately cannot have movies on Wikipedia that do not pass our notability standards, and 131 Google results, coupled with being rejected 5 times from IMDb don't really help the case. When the movie is released and is more than speculative (in addition to being notable), then the article may be re-written, provided it passes the Wikipedia guidelines. Until then, this article is not permitted to be on Wikipedia Mysekurity ^[m!] 14:50, 12 April 2006 (UTC)

• Delete. WP:NOT a crystal ball.  RasputinAXP  c 19:17, 12 April 2006 (UTC)

Comment on the page deletion by James Hampstine :

Personaly, as a Fan of the Max Payne universe I am exited at the prospect of it being brought to life in this indipendant movie. I think its a shame to delete the page. You talk about notability. Well this is the first serios independant film based in the Max Payne universe. And since Max Payne has quite a large following around the world I think that is a pretty notable thing. As well as having people who are working on the film who are already featured on the IMDB database like Justin R. Durban & Michael Johns.I beleive the director was using a certain amount of sarcasm in his blog post on the P&R site concirning the number of times the film was submitted to IMDB. Indeed the IMDB rules state that for an independant movie it has to be finished or for there to be good proof that it will be finished before they will allow it onto the database.

— Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.217.164.232 (talk • contribs) 17:18, 12 April 2006 (UTC)

• And the various policies and guidelines here state that there must be verifiable information taken from reliable, third-party sources on this movie before it can be included here without violating the crystall ball section of the Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not policy. -- Saberwyn 21:46, 12 April 2006 (UTC)

Comment on the page deletion by James Hampstine : Third party sources. OK How about on Both of Justin R. Durban's websites Here: http://www.justindurban.com/credits.html and Here: http://www.edgen.com/music/projects.html . Justin R. Durban is a well known and respected score composer and is not going to attach himself and his name to somthing that isn't going to happen.

An interview with the director Here: http://www.paynereactor.com/articles/view_12/page_1/

Not to mention all the sites around the internet where this film is being discussed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.217.164.232 (talk • contribs) 18:48, 12 April 2006 (UTC)

Hey there, James! Note that I've got nothing against this movie (save for the fact that it won't be out in the States -_- ), but in order to keep Wikipedia from being overrun with descriptions of non-notable Star Wars and Star Trek fan films, Geocities sites or other things that haven't had a big impact on culture aren't really allowed here. What Saberwyn was talking about was that a reliable source would be the Chicago Sun or some other paper, or a seriously notable website like Aint It Cool News, and not someone's blog or a small-time (albeit useful) site like Paynereactor.com. This isn't in offense to you, and once the movie comes out and it has an IMDb page and all that good stuff, the article may be re-created. As an administrator, I have the ability to view deleted pages, and would be more than willing to help you re-write this. Good luck with the shooting, Mysekurity ^[m!] 23:48, 12 April 2006 (UTC)

P.S. When you post something to a talk page, make sure to sign it by using 4 tildes (~~~~). Also, I invite you to create an account, and stay for a little while.

• Delete per Wikipedia is not a crystal ball. This unreleased movie is not notable or important yet. In present form it does not meet the verifiability policy, as the only cited references are to the movie's own website and a forum, neither of which meets the reliable source guidelines. When something about it has been published in mainstream newspaper, film magazine, or a place that meets the reliable source guidelines, we can have an article about it; not before. Presently, it is not even listed at imdb. Dpbsmith (talk) 13:21, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

Comment on this page deletion by Cap Lorien.

The producers of this movie have already done a lot of work and I'm convinced it's going to eventually be released. As such, it belongs here like other such movies. The whole point of this site is to provide information and this is valid information. Please don't delete it.

Comment on this page deletion by Luke Morgan-Rowe.

OK, I now have a compelling reason, as well as my well justified moral ones, why this site should not be removed. Two seperate French websites, discovered whilst scrolling through our mere 131 google results, confuse our independent film with being the official Max Payne one - a level to which we do not wish to be lowered. We need a page on a well exposed, well respected site (or even online information resource, such as an encyclopaedia), as well as our website, to provide the general public with information about our film, so as not to create irritation and potentially serious confusion, such as the one suffered by our Gallic friends. Now I wonder where we could put a page like that?...