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:Shall we start fresh and be friends? Unless you have philosophical objections to doing so (I've known a few who do), I encourage you to [[WP:WCAA|create an account]]. Best, --[[User:BlueMoonlet|BlueMoonlet]] ([[User talk:BlueMoonlet|t]]/[[Special:Contributions/BlueMoonlet|c]]) 16:24, 24 May 2012 (UTC) |
:Shall we start fresh and be friends? Unless you have philosophical objections to doing so (I've known a few who do), I encourage you to [[WP:WCAA|create an account]]. Best, --[[User:BlueMoonlet|BlueMoonlet]] ([[User talk:BlueMoonlet|t]]/[[Special:Contributions/BlueMoonlet|c]]) 16:24, 24 May 2012 (UTC) |
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Look, I confess my statements were a bit harsh, but I feel strongly that you failed to give adequate consideration to what you were doing: |
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First, the argument you are levying against my original edits commits two logical fallacies: the first is a red herring "appeal to motive," and the second is a form of "damning the source," a form of ad hominem. |
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Second, I deleted nothing in my original set of edits-- I added. And you deleted all of my work, without comment. |
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I reserve the right to not bother with edit summaries. I do not necessarily have time for that. Edit summaries are not a requirement for Wikipedia editing (in case you have not noticed), nor should they be. In most cases, good edits should speak for themselves. |
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The problem with your statement "If there is a legitimate controversy that is attested by reliable sources, then we must discuss it" lies in the definition of "legitimate controversy." Relevancy is a clear prerequisite to legitimacy. |
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I cannot respond directly to your statement 'The song's qualities as "excellent, epic and very popular" are irrelevant,' because I do not know what you are talking about. If, however, you are saying that those qualities are, as a blanket statement, or as relates to their presence on Wikipedia, irrelevant, then I completely disagree with you: those qualities are exactly why the song has its own Wikipedia page, and also exactly why it should continue to do so, and, as necessarily follows, why said page should be concise, well written, and relevant to the actual subject. |
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If, on the other hand, you are saying that qualities of excellence, etc., do not make something immune to controversy or the legitimate dissemination of knowledge thereof, then I completely agree-- the truth should speak for itself. Yet, in the writing of an article, one must take into account the reader of the article, and the holistic intellectual impression the reader will get from the entire article. And this is not only the impression of the single article, but of Wikipedia's ability to provide information on such things, and Wikipedia as a whole. If Wikipedia becomes filled with completely meaningless crap, and despite countless edits, no one makes any effort to deal with that, then it is not a very good reference source, and the critics are indeed right. |
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In response to your objection to my "accusation," I withdraw my statement that you "know nothing about the subject." I withdraw it based solely on the fact that I have insufficient information to make the claim. I'm afraid I can't withdraw the statement that you didn't care enough to adequately investigate. It was not a personal attack, but a legitimate statement of well-reasoned perspective. As I have implied above, the claim of my not being "a serious editor" is actually adequately true, but does not excuse discounting my edits-- that's not how philosophical debate or democracy works. |
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All humans are subject to the adrenaline rush to be gained from "helping" or "contributing," or "acting as an authority," and I'm well aware that Wikipedia feeds on that to a great degree. Objectively speaking, however, it is generally the number of edits that provides an adrenaline rush, but the quality of edits that provides light and truth to the world; unfortunately, quality and quantity of edit(s), if possessing any relation at all, are inverse variables. |
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As for the assumption of good faith you speak of, I find it utterly insane, and cannot grant your request. |
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Yes, probably, I should have my own Wikipedia profile. I believe I do have one, but I do not edit Wikipedia frequently enough that I remember what it is, or bother with it. I briefly edit about three Wikipedia pages a year. |
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Cheers, |
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Tran |
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>>>Blanking an entire section, without leaving any notes as to your reasons for doing so, is a good way to get mistaken for a vandal. Please use edit summaries to let other editors know what you are doing and why, especially if you are removing large blocks of text. |
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The song's qualities as "excellent, epic and very popular" are irrelevant. If there is a legitimate controversy that is attested by reliable sources, then we must discuss it. On the other hand, you make a reasonable point about the encyclopedicity of the cited sources. I am willing let it go for now and see if anyone else objects. |
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I object to your accusation that I "know nothing about [the] subject and don't care enough to properly investigate it." I have been editing this page, and many others, for quite some time. I did what I did because your edits bore the marks of someone who was not a serious editor. I am glad now to learn otherwise, but in turn I would ask you to assume good faith and avoid personal attacks. You can use this markup to withdraw comments you have made on a talk page. |
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Lord of The Dance
Hi,
Making an excellent, epic and very popular song into a debate about anti-semitism because of some obscure Quaker publication is completely "non-encyclopedic." Please refrain from simply cancelling out my edits from now on. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.94.216.247 (talk) 03:48, 24 May 2012 (UTC)
Incidentally, if you know nothing about a subject and don't care enough to properly investigate it, you really shouldn't be screwing with other people's edits, which you seem to not have even bothered to read or appreciate the value of. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.94.216.247 (talk) 03:54, 24 May 2012 (UTC)
- Blanking an entire section, without leaving any notes as to your reasons for doing so, is a good way to get mistaken for a vandal. Please use edit summaries to let other editors know what you are doing and why, especially if you are removing large blocks of text.
- The song's qualities as "excellent, epic and very popular" are irrelevant. If there is a legitimate controversy that is attested by reliable sources, then we must discuss it. On the other hand, you make a reasonable point about the encyclopedicity of the cited sources. I am willing let it go for now and see if anyone else objects.
- I object to your accusation that I "know nothing about [the] subject and don't care enough to properly investigate it." I have been editing this page, and many others, for quite some time. I did what I did because your edits bore the marks of someone who was not a serious editor. I am glad now to learn otherwise, but in turn I would ask you to assume good faith and avoid personal attacks. You can use
this markupto withdraw comments you have made on a talk page.
- Shall we start fresh and be friends? Unless you have philosophical objections to doing so (I've known a few who do), I encourage you to create an account. Best, --BlueMoonlet (t/c) 16:24, 24 May 2012 (UTC)
Look, I confess my statements were a bit harsh, but I feel strongly that you failed to give adequate consideration to what you were doing: First, the argument you are levying against my original edits commits two logical fallacies: the first is a red herring "appeal to motive," and the second is a form of "damning the source," a form of ad hominem. Second, I deleted nothing in my original set of edits-- I added. And you deleted all of my work, without comment.
I reserve the right to not bother with edit summaries. I do not necessarily have time for that. Edit summaries are not a requirement for Wikipedia editing (in case you have not noticed), nor should they be. In most cases, good edits should speak for themselves.
The problem with your statement "If there is a legitimate controversy that is attested by reliable sources, then we must discuss it" lies in the definition of "legitimate controversy." Relevancy is a clear prerequisite to legitimacy. I cannot respond directly to your statement 'The song's qualities as "excellent, epic and very popular" are irrelevant,' because I do not know what you are talking about. If, however, you are saying that those qualities are, as a blanket statement, or as relates to their presence on Wikipedia, irrelevant, then I completely disagree with you: those qualities are exactly why the song has its own Wikipedia page, and also exactly why it should continue to do so, and, as necessarily follows, why said page should be concise, well written, and relevant to the actual subject. If, on the other hand, you are saying that qualities of excellence, etc., do not make something immune to controversy or the legitimate dissemination of knowledge thereof, then I completely agree-- the truth should speak for itself. Yet, in the writing of an article, one must take into account the reader of the article, and the holistic intellectual impression the reader will get from the entire article. And this is not only the impression of the single article, but of Wikipedia's ability to provide information on such things, and Wikipedia as a whole. If Wikipedia becomes filled with completely meaningless crap, and despite countless edits, no one makes any effort to deal with that, then it is not a very good reference source, and the critics are indeed right.
In response to your objection to my "accusation," I withdraw my statement that you "know nothing about the subject." I withdraw it based solely on the fact that I have insufficient information to make the claim. I'm afraid I can't withdraw the statement that you didn't care enough to adequately investigate. It was not a personal attack, but a legitimate statement of well-reasoned perspective. As I have implied above, the claim of my not being "a serious editor" is actually adequately true, but does not excuse discounting my edits-- that's not how philosophical debate or democracy works. All humans are subject to the adrenaline rush to be gained from "helping" or "contributing," or "acting as an authority," and I'm well aware that Wikipedia feeds on that to a great degree. Objectively speaking, however, it is generally the number of edits that provides an adrenaline rush, but the quality of edits that provides light and truth to the world; unfortunately, quality and quantity of edit(s), if possessing any relation at all, are inverse variables.
As for the assumption of good faith you speak of, I find it utterly insane, and cannot grant your request.
Yes, probably, I should have my own Wikipedia profile. I believe I do have one, but I do not edit Wikipedia frequently enough that I remember what it is, or bother with it. I briefly edit about three Wikipedia pages a year.
Cheers, Tran
>>>Blanking an entire section, without leaving any notes as to your reasons for doing so, is a good way to get mistaken for a vandal. Please use edit summaries to let other editors know what you are doing and why, especially if you are removing large blocks of text.
The song's qualities as "excellent, epic and very popular" are irrelevant. If there is a legitimate controversy that is attested by reliable sources, then we must discuss it. On the other hand, you make a reasonable point about the encyclopedicity of the cited sources. I am willing let it go for now and see if anyone else objects.
I object to your accusation that I "know nothing about [the] subject and don't care enough to properly investigate it." I have been editing this page, and many others, for quite some time. I did what I did because your edits bore the marks of someone who was not a serious editor. I am glad now to learn otherwise, but in turn I would ask you to assume good faith and avoid personal attacks. You can use this markup to withdraw comments you have made on a talk page.