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:I do not believe it's possible to list a specific brand of beer in the [[Beer Pong]] article without it being promotional. The mention simply does not belong in that article. |
:I do not believe it's possible to list a specific brand of beer in the [[Beer Pong]] article without it being promotional. The mention simply does not belong in that article. |
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:If there are [[WP:RS|third-party reliable sources]] available that can establish the product as [[WP:N|notable]], then it may be appropriate to create it's own article at [[Pong Beer]]; although I suspect there is insufficient material or sources to justify its own article. The beer should probably be listed at [[City Brewing Company]]; but that would only be the beer brand name (as is listed for other brands at that article). As you can see, only some of the products listed there have reached sufficient notability as yet for their own articles. --- [[User:Barek|Barek]] <small>([[User talk:Barek|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Barek|contribs]])</small> - 18:20, 22 March 2013 (UTC) |
:If there are [[WP:RS|third-party reliable sources]] available that can establish the product as [[WP:N|notable]], then it may be appropriate to create it's own article at [[Pong Beer]]; although I suspect there is insufficient material or sources to justify its own article. The beer should probably be listed at [[City Brewing Company]]; but that would only be the beer brand name (as is listed for other brands at that article). As you can see, only some of the products listed there have reached sufficient notability as yet for their own articles. --- [[User:Barek|Barek]] <small>([[User talk:Barek|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Barek|contribs]])</small> - 18:20, 22 March 2013 (UTC) |
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Thank you for your help. We understand your concern of Pong Beer in a beer pong article appearing promotional, for the companies founder beer pong the game was his soul inspriation for creating the brand. We wanted a brand with a personality and storyline and beer pong gave us that platform. I will attempt to create my own article called "Pong Beer." With regards to your comments I had listed third party reliable sources in that article, and can provide more if that is what you are looking for. I have work cited from The Wall Street Journal, CNBC, Beverage World, and The Las Vegas, Nevada Journal. Here is an example of the sources so you can see first hand what I submitted. |
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"Pong Beer debuted at the 2011 National Beer Wholesalers Association 74th annual convention and trade show, Caesars Palace, Las Vegas, Nevada. The brand was featured in the Las Vegas review journal Tuesday October 18th 2011, “This Ain’t Your Daddy’s Beer. http://newsfeed.time.com/2012/02/16/company-brews-beer-designed-especially-for-beer-pong/ |
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On January 15th 2012, Beverage World showcased Pong Beer “Beer Pong Gets Its Own Branded Brew.” www.Beverageworld.com |
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Pong Beer sponsored two-time World Series of Beer Pong winner Ron Hamilton and his team “Smashing Time” at the World Series of Beer Pong Tournament in Las Vegas, Nevada January 1-5, 2012 http://www.cnbc.com/id/42109700" |
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Kindly get back to me if you have any suggestions, thank you for your feedback. |
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Crystal Cave (Wisconsin)
Hey I was wondering why you keep deleting the edit in Crystal Cave (Wisconsin). People tell me how to cite it correctly and I would love to do it right! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kellie.cunningham (talk • contribs) 23:11, 12 March 2013 (UTC)
- The material you are adding appears to be original research - a narrative of a tour sourced to the tour guide providing it. What is needed are third party reliable sources. --- Barek (talk • contribs) - 23:15, 12 March 2013 (UTC)
How is a tour guide at the cave not reliable? They have to know the ins and the outs of the cave, or they lose their job. Please inform me on how to make it a real citation. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kellie.cunningham (talk • contribs) 23:26, 12 March 2013 (UTC)
- You need a reliable source (follow the link). Also see no original research for additional relevant information. --- Barek (talk • contribs) - 23:29, 12 March 2013 (UTC)
I'm citing him because he has an actual source. That's how sources work. He is reliable, not to your standards but he is, and its not original research. I am sitting next to him as he tells me the information because he works there. What source are you recommending I use over the actual tour guide? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kellie.cunningham (talk • contribs) 23:39, 12 March 2013 (UTC)
- Anyone can make claims of sitting next to someone, or themselves being someone with first-hand knowledge. Simply saying we should take your word for the truth is not citing a reliable source. What are needed are published sources. The reliable source policy is directly related to our policy on verifiability. On top of that, the material being added is at best a marketing narrative for the tour, not actually about the cave itself. It's material that simply doesn't belong on Wikipedia. --- Barek (talk • contribs) - 00:07, 13 March 2013 (UTC)
CP report
You reported SurgiScope at Wikipedia:Copyright problems/2013 January 19. However, the source appears to be (CC BY 3.0). It may need attribution, and there may be question about whether the source is reliable, but I don't think it is a copyvio. Do you think I've missed something?--SPhilbrick(Talk) 14:11, 15 March 2013 (UTC)
- I overlooked that site being CC BY 3.0; for some reason, I thought I saw a different tagging on that page.
- You are correct, the only issue here is attribution (which is still technically a copyvio, but one that can be easily resolved). --- Barek (talk • contribs) - 15:17, 15 March 2013 (UTC)
- Thanks, I hoped it was that simple, but wanted to double-check. I'll add a ref.--SPhilbrick(Talk) 15:32, 15 March 2013 (UTC)
Pong Beer
I would like to know what I need to change to make my edit to Pong Beer reliable? I added one the other day and changed it so that it didn't sound promotional. I would really appreicate your feedback. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Meganmarlinent (talk • contribs) 17:51, 22 March 2013 (UTC)
- I do not believe it's possible to list a specific brand of beer in the Beer Pong article without it being promotional. The mention simply does not belong in that article.
- If there are third-party reliable sources available that can establish the product as notable, then it may be appropriate to create it's own article at Pong Beer; although I suspect there is insufficient material or sources to justify its own article. The beer should probably be listed at City Brewing Company; but that would only be the beer brand name (as is listed for other brands at that article). As you can see, only some of the products listed there have reached sufficient notability as yet for their own articles. --- Barek (talk • contribs) - 18:20, 22 March 2013 (UTC)
Thank you for your help. We understand your concern of Pong Beer in a beer pong article appearing promotional, for the companies founder beer pong the game was his soul inspriation for creating the brand. We wanted a brand with a personality and storyline and beer pong gave us that platform. I will attempt to create my own article called "Pong Beer." With regards to your comments I had listed third party reliable sources in that article, and can provide more if that is what you are looking for. I have work cited from The Wall Street Journal, CNBC, Beverage World, and The Las Vegas, Nevada Journal. Here is an example of the sources so you can see first hand what I submitted.
"Pong Beer debuted at the 2011 National Beer Wholesalers Association 74th annual convention and trade show, Caesars Palace, Las Vegas, Nevada. The brand was featured in the Las Vegas review journal Tuesday October 18th 2011, “This Ain’t Your Daddy’s Beer. http://newsfeed.time.com/2012/02/16/company-brews-beer-designed-especially-for-beer-pong/
On January 15th 2012, Beverage World showcased Pong Beer “Beer Pong Gets Its Own Branded Brew.” www.Beverageworld.com
Pong Beer sponsored two-time World Series of Beer Pong winner Ron Hamilton and his team “Smashing Time” at the World Series of Beer Pong Tournament in Las Vegas, Nevada January 1-5, 2012 http://www.cnbc.com/id/42109700"
Kindly get back to me if you have any suggestions, thank you for your feedback.