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VE + ULS Devanagari issues

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Hi,

With reference to bug no 49569. From my todays test edits at mr wiki, it seems some efforts have taken place to initiate/enable ULS unicode Devnagari Script input in VE edits.But for practical usage,even for primary begining, it seems to have too many issues yet.Before informing the issues do we wait untill we are officially informed from your side or do we start reporting issues ?

I suppose till now there is no separate bug to track "VE+ULS unicode Marathi language Devnagari script issues". Would you prefer to start a separate bug for tracking or you expect us to join with some existing bug reports for related issues.

Thanks and regards

Mahitgar (talk) 05:31, 23 August 2013 (UTC)

Pinging @User:PEarley (WMF) about the best way to handle this, which I suspect should be splitting the two kind of issues since different teams would take care of them. Regards, --Elitre (WMF) (talk) 09:20, 23 August 2013 (UTC)

Hey Mahitgar, Elitre. As VE will not be usable on wikis where ULS isn't integrating properly, I'd be filing this as a VE bug, and as a "blocker" to Marathi deployment depending on severity. It is fine to file as a separate bug - if the devs discover it is linked to another reported issue already assigned, they can merge the reports. Mahitgar, can you give us a more detailed report about the specific issues you are noticing on mr.wiki, as well as the browser and operating system of your computer? With that, we can submit a actionable bug report, and work to get this fixed before any rollout to Marathi. Can't offer much insight to this particular script - I haven't been working with the Indic languages - Jan and his team are working on this. User:JEissfeldt (WMF) - tag, you're it! PEarley (WMF) (talk) 16:33, 23 August 2013 (UTC)

Mahitgar, you might also want to know that the bug related to vowels for that language has been fixed in the meantime. --Elitre (WMF) (talk) 18:13, 26 August 2013 (UTC)

Thanks, I have the CIS in Bangalore putting together a file on critical bugs for Indian language versions for this product since yesterday and will expand it as necessary. This looks like a solid candidate to me, regards --Jan (WMF) (talk) 18:00, 27 August 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for all above replies.I will study and list problems for Marathi language VE+ULS environment here in a tabular form over couple of days

Number	Name of page where probleme arose	Screen shot or Difference of edit if available	Problem description	additional details	ULS Method of input	Browers and OS	Bug/status
1	mr:धूळपाटी(sandbox page)	Cannot create the screen shot/or edit diff	No other text on a page> Type a word + space bar = eliminates typed text imidiately	If some text is already there on the page or we copy paste then we can give the space bar with less frequency of this problem.	VE+ULS Method of input = अक्षरांतरण (Non-VE source edit environ,ULS Method of input = अक्षरांतरण works normal. Also applicable for VE + ULS (hi transliteration)	Firefox+Win7, Google chrome+Win7	Tracked in Phabricator Task T55700 and Tracked in Phabricator Task T55706
2	mr:धूळपाटी(sandbox page)	VEplusULSinput Akshrantaran issues 2 with normal speed typing cursor moves to left it is supposed to move to right direction	In normal speed typing,after we type first alphaabate cursor moves from right to left direction.Word marathi need to apear मराठी with VE+ULS instead is coming राठीम	Marathi language devanagari is written in left to right direction.But when we use ULS Method of input = अक्षरांतरण with VE cursor is moving in opposite direction as if we are typing a right to left script	VE+ULS Method of input = अक्षरांतरण (Non-VE source edit environ,ULS Method of input = अक्षरांतरण works normal	Firefox+Win7	Tracked in Phabricator Task T55701
3	mr:धूळपाटी(sandbox page)	VEplusULSinput Akshrantaran issues-Uncalled for repetition of charecters	Uncalled for repetition of charecters please see the file image	After this problem some time backspace, delete keys and left and right arrow keys of the key board work some times, do not work many times	VE+ULS Method of input = अक्षरांतरण (Non-VE source edit environ,ULS Method of input = अक्षरांतरण works normal (Key unresponsiveness also applicable for VE+ULS hi transliteration)	Firefox+Win7	keys not working: Tracked in Phabricator Task T55708
4	mr:अभिमन्यु and all other articles with text already present	Screen shot or diff Not possible without video recording itself of VE's moving self action	spell correction of any word eats up text on right side until you press space bar	उदाहरण	VE+ULS Method of input = अक्षरांतरण (Non-VE source edit environ,ULS Method of input = अक्षरांतरण works normal	Firefox+Win7	Tracked in Phabricator Task T55757
5	Any random selected article on mr-wikipedia	Wont be difficult to provide screen shots , Still need more usage pattern observation before providing screenshots to provide steps to reproduce	Where text is already present,Along with any of above problems, Some times edited aspect is shown in edit window but does not reflect in edit preview	Probably problem arises when we insert any additional charecters or word between two existing words in a sentence.I suppose this would be easy to reproduce.	VE+ULS Method of input = अक्षरांतरण (Non-VE source edit environ,ULS Method of input = अक्षरांतरण works normal	Firefox+Win7	Tracked in Phabricator Task T55758
6	Any random selected article on mr-wikipedia	Image to be provided	If for spelling correction purposes only few charecters within any word are selected and replaced with other charecter of same or lesser length, without movement of arrow keys or spacebar, save button does not get enabled, so effectively we would not be able to save the change	Behaviour seems to be indirectly related to above point 5 testing for the same going on	Tracked in Phabricator Task T55788
7	all articles	Do we need image for this	need enabling ULS input in Link,Reference,Category and template edit-windows	उदाहरण	Tracked in Phabricator Task T55717

Following most required marathi language typing pattern produces marathi sentense as given below in ULS input अक्षरांतरण (transliteration) using roman engilsh "qwerty" key board in traditional wikisource editing; The target for VisualEditor team is the same to happen smoothly for VisualEditor+ ULS input अक्षरांतरण (transliteration) environment.

most required marathi language typing pattern example

namaskaara teMDUlkara marAthee Ahe.mahaaraaShTra aaNi akhkhyaa pRthveechaa pravaasa Jnaaneshvarane KShaNaardhaat kelA paheeje. rrya aaNi rrha akSharaMbaddal saMdarbha sahit nibaMdha have.

should transliterate ( produce) to following in smooth manner.

नमस्कार तेंडूलकर मराठी आहे. महाराष्ट्र आणि अख्ख्या पृथ्वीचा प्रवास ज्ञानेश्वरने क्षणार्धात केला पाहीजे.ऱ्य आणि ऱ्ह अक्षरांबद्दल संदर्भ सहित निबंध हवे.

Bugs to watch

• 51472

Mahitgar (talk) 09:51, 31 August 2013 (UTC)

Hi, I emailed Jan to draw his attention to this. Thanks, --Elitre (WMF) (talk) 10:37, 31 August 2013 (UTC)

Thanks look forwards to - Mahitgar (talk) 11:00, 31 August 2013 (UTC)

Thank you, Mahitgar. This is really helpful and will be a core part of the set of issues I will take to the office during a visit mid September. I feel the relation between VE and ULS will stay with us longer than the format of this feedback page permits. Therefore, I suggest to move the topic to my talk page; where I'm automatically notified in case you expand your findings there and we don't have to rely on Elitre for pings - although she does an excellent job in keeping the issue high up my radar :). Beyond Mr.WP itself, I'm also perfectly prepared to take on board issues you find on Hi.WP or generally VE bugs across Indian language projects you see as critical and feel they should be highlighted by me. Best regards, --Jan (WMF) (talk) 15:45, 31 August 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for very positive response.Your suggession is most welcome I will place this discussion on your talk page and add further aspects there.Besides mr I can certainly bring in info on hi sa and ne wiki over coming week.

Regards

Mahitgar (talk) 16:00, 31 August 2013 (UTC)

Added bugs I reported today. Another devanagari bug (not described above) is 53711.--Siddhartha Ghai (talk) 17:25, 3 September 2013 (UTC)

@Siddhartha Ghai Thanks for nice support in reporting the bugs. I wish and request to have a look at bug 53754(not in above list) and please do check for hindi language too.

Thanks Regards

Mahitgar (talk) 02:56, 5 September 2013 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk • contribs)

@Mahitgar:: Commented on the bug.

@JEissfeldt (WMF):: bug 53754 (based on 51472) is also an important one.--Siddhartha Ghai (talk) 20:24, 5 September 2013 (UTC)

Added summary to top of this discussion for handy reference.--Siddhartha Ghai (talk) 20:52, 5 September 2013 (UTC)

Thank you, Siddhartha; I'm already busy going over parts of them :)

Mahitgar: I arranged for a meeting with Runa from the ULS team mid next week and, of course, welcome your views not just on where problems are located but also how important/urgent you feel they are respectively. Thank you both for invaluable help. Best regards, --Jan (WMF) (talk) 21:01, 5 September 2013 (UTC)