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This is just to keep you informed rgds[[User:Mahitgar|Mahitgar]] ([[User talk:Mahitgar|talk]]) 08:46, 16 September 2013 (UTC) |
This is just to keep you informed rgds[[User:Mahitgar|Mahitgar]] ([[User talk:Mahitgar|talk]]) 08:46, 16 September 2013 (UTC) |
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:Thank you, {{ping|Mahitgar}}. Let me talk you, {{Ping|Siddhartha Ghai}}, and {{Ping|Karthikndr}} through a bit of progress I made during my week in the office in connecting you and WMF Tech better: I would be grateful, if you continue to test things out and file bugs directly in bugzilla while keeping me in the loop here. I note stuff you feel is important both in my weekly VE reports going to their team and in a newly set up biweekly call with [[:mw:User:Runab_WMF|Runa of ULS]]. Both teams, VE and ULS, are working together to get on top of this but it seems to take quite some time to solve the problem and especially VE has other big issues to fix as well (it is still blacklisted for Internet Explorer for a start). Thanks and best regards, --[[User:JEissfeldt (WMF)|Jan (WMF)]] ([[User talk:JEissfeldt (WMF)#top|talk]]) 11:19, 17 September 2013 (UTC) |
Revision as of 11:19, 17 September 2013
VE + ULS Devanagari issues
Summary
Discussion
Hi,
With reference to bug no 49569. From my todays test edits at mr wiki, it seems some efforts have taken place to initiate/enable ULS unicode Devnagari Script input in VE edits.But for practical usage,even for primary begining, it seems to have too many issues yet.Before informing the issues do we wait untill we are officially informed from your side or do we start reporting issues ?
I suppose till now there is no separate bug to track "VE+ULS unicode Marathi language Devnagari script issues". Would you prefer to start a separate bug for tracking or you expect us to join with some existing bug reports for related issues.
Thanks and regards
Mahitgar (talk) 05:31, 23 August 2013 (UTC)
- Pinging @User:PEarley (WMF) about the best way to handle this, which I suspect should be splitting the two kind of issues since different teams would take care of them. Regards, --Elitre (WMF) (talk) 09:20, 23 August 2013 (UTC)
- Hey Mahitgar, Elitre. As VE will not be usable on wikis where ULS isn't integrating properly, I'd be filing this as a VE bug, and as a "blocker" to Marathi deployment depending on severity. It is fine to file as a separate bug - if the devs discover it is linked to another reported issue already assigned, they can merge the reports. Mahitgar, can you give us a more detailed report about the specific issues you are noticing on mr.wiki, as well as the browser and operating system of your computer? With that, we can submit a actionable bug report, and work to get this fixed before any rollout to Marathi. Can't offer much insight to this particular script - I haven't been working with the Indic languages - Jan and his team are working on this. User:JEissfeldt (WMF) - tag, you're it! PEarley (WMF) (talk) 16:33, 23 August 2013 (UTC)
- Mahitgar, you might also want to know that the bug related to vowels for that language has been fixed in the meantime. --Elitre (WMF) (talk) 18:13, 26 August 2013 (UTC)
- Hey Mahitgar, Elitre. As VE will not be usable on wikis where ULS isn't integrating properly, I'd be filing this as a VE bug, and as a "blocker" to Marathi deployment depending on severity. It is fine to file as a separate bug - if the devs discover it is linked to another reported issue already assigned, they can merge the reports. Mahitgar, can you give us a more detailed report about the specific issues you are noticing on mr.wiki, as well as the browser and operating system of your computer? With that, we can submit a actionable bug report, and work to get this fixed before any rollout to Marathi. Can't offer much insight to this particular script - I haven't been working with the Indic languages - Jan and his team are working on this. User:JEissfeldt (WMF) - tag, you're it! PEarley (WMF) (talk) 16:33, 23 August 2013 (UTC)
- Thanks, I have the CIS in Bangalore putting together a file on critical bugs for Indian language versions for this product since yesterday and will expand it as necessary. This looks like a solid candidate to me, regards --Jan (WMF) (talk) 18:00, 27 August 2013 (UTC)
Thanks for all above replies.I will study and list problems for Marathi language VE+ULS environment here in a tabular form over couple of days
Number | Name of page where probleme arose | Screen shot or Difference of edit if available | Problem description | additional details | ULS Method of input | Browers and OS | Bug/status |
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1 | mr:धूळपाटी(sandbox page) | Cannot create the screen shot/or edit diff | No other text on a page> Type a word + space bar = eliminates typed text imidiately | If some text is already there on the page or we copy paste then we can give the space bar with less frequency of this problem. | VE+ULS Method of input = अक्षरांतरण (Non-VE source edit environ,ULS Method of input = अक्षरांतरण works normal. Also applicable for VE + ULS (hi transliteration) | Firefox+Win7, Google chrome+Win7 | and |
2 | mr:धूळपाटी(sandbox page) | ![]() |
In normal speed typing,after we type first alphaabate cursor moves from right to left direction.Word marathi need to apear मराठी with VE+ULS instead is coming राठीम | Marathi language devanagari is written in left to right direction.But when we use ULS Method of input = अक्षरांतरण with VE cursor is moving in opposite direction as if we are typing a right to left script | VE+ULS Method of input = अक्षरांतरण (Non-VE source edit environ,ULS Method of input = अक्षरांतरण works normal | Firefox+Win7 | |
3 | mr:धूळपाटी(sandbox page) | ![]() |
Uncalled for repetition of charecters please see the file image | After this problem some time backspace, delete keys and left and right arrow keys of the key board work some times, do not work many times | VE+ULS Method of input = अक्षरांतरण (Non-VE source edit environ,ULS Method of input = अक्षरांतरण works normal (Key unresponsiveness also applicable for VE+ULS hi transliteration) | Firefox+Win7 | keys not working: |
4 | mr:अभिमन्यु and all other articles with text already present | Screen shot or diff Not possible without video recording itself of VE's moving self action | spell correction of any word eats up text on right side until you press space bar | उदाहरण | VE+ULS Method of input = अक्षरांतरण (Non-VE source edit environ,ULS Method of input = अक्षरांतरण works normal | Firefox+Win7 | |
5 | Any random selected article on mr-wikipedia | Wont be difficult to provide screen shots , Still need more usage pattern observation before providing screenshots to provide steps to reproduce | Where text is already present,Along with any of above problems, Some times edited aspect is shown in edit window but does not reflect in edit preview | Probably problem arises when we insert any additional charecters or word between two existing words in a sentence.I suppose this would be easy to reproduce. | VE+ULS Method of input = अक्षरांतरण (Non-VE source edit environ,ULS Method of input = अक्षरांतरण works normal | Firefox+Win7 | |
6 | Any random selected article on mr-wikipedia | Image to be provided | If for spelling correction purposes only few charecters within any word are selected and replaced with other charecter of same or lesser length, without movement of arrow keys or spacebar, save button does not get enabled, so effectively we would not be able to save the change | Behaviour seems to be indirectly related to above point 5 testing for the same going on | |||
7 | all articles | Do we need image for this | need enabling ULS input in Link,Reference,Category and template edit-windows | उदाहरण |
Following most required marathi language typing pattern produces marathi sentense as given below in ULS input अक्षरांतरण (transliteration) using roman engilsh "qwerty" key board in traditional wikisource editing; The target for VisualEditor team is the same to happen smoothly for VisualEditor+ ULS input अक्षरांतरण (transliteration) environment.
most required marathi language typing pattern example
- namaskaara teMDUlkara marAthee Ahe.mahaaraaShTra aaNi akhkhyaa pRthveechaa pravaasa Jnaaneshvarane KShaNaardhaat kelA paheeje. rrya aaNi rrha akSharaMbaddal saMdarbha sahit nibaMdha have.
should transliterate ( produce) to following in smooth manner.
- नमस्कार तेंडूलकर मराठी आहे. महाराष्ट्र आणि अख्ख्या पृथ्वीचा प्रवास ज्ञानेश्वरने क्षणार्धात केला पाहीजे.ऱ्य आणि ऱ्ह अक्षरांबद्दल संदर्भ सहित निबंध हवे.
Bugs to watch
Mahitgar (talk) 09:51, 31 August 2013 (UTC)
- Hi, I emailed Jan to draw his attention to this. Thanks, --Elitre (WMF) (talk) 10:37, 31 August 2013 (UTC)
Thanks look forwards to - Mahitgar (talk) 11:00, 31 August 2013 (UTC)
- Thank you, Mahitgar. This is really helpful and will be a core part of the set of issues I will take to the office during a visit mid September. I feel the relation between VE and ULS will stay with us longer than the format of this feedback page permits. Therefore, I suggest to move the topic to my talk page; where I'm automatically notified in case you expand your findings there and we don't have to rely on Elitre for pings - although she does an excellent job in keeping the issue high up my radar :). Beyond Mr.WP itself, I'm also perfectly prepared to take on board issues you find on Hi.WP or generally VE bugs across Indian language projects you see as critical and feel they should be highlighted by me. Best regards, --Jan (WMF) (talk) 15:45, 31 August 2013 (UTC)
Thanks for very positive response.Your suggession is most welcome I will place this discussion on your talk page and add further aspects there.Besides mr I can certainly bring in info on hi sa and ne wiki over coming week.
Regards
Mahitgar (talk) 16:00, 31 August 2013 (UTC)
- Added bugs I reported today. Another devanagari bug (not described above) is 53711.--Siddhartha Ghai (talk) 17:25, 3 September 2013 (UTC)
@Siddhartha Ghai Thanks for nice support in reporting the bugs. I wish and request to have a look at bug 53754(not in above list) and please do check for hindi language too.
Thanks Regards
Mahitgar (talk) 02:56, 5 September 2013 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk • contribs)
- @Mahitgar:: Commented on the bug.
- @JEissfeldt (WMF):: bug 53754 (based on 51472) is also an important one.--Siddhartha Ghai (talk) 20:24, 5 September 2013 (UTC)
- Added summary to top of this discussion for handy reference.--Siddhartha Ghai (talk) 20:52, 5 September 2013 (UTC)
- Thank you, @Siddhartha Ghai:; I'm already busy going over parts of them :)
- Mahitgar: I arranged for a meeting with Runa from the ULS team mid next week and, of course, welcome your views not just on where problems are located but also how important/urgent you feel they are respectively. Regarding your homewiki and beyond, of course :). Thank you both for invaluable help. Best regards, --Jan (WMF) (talk) 21:01, 5 September 2013 (UTC)
Thanks , will keep you updated as suggested by your goodselves.
Rgds- Mahitgar (talk) 14:38, 6 September 2013 (UTC)
update bug 53700 and 53705 problem
Hi, Yesterday and today I tried problems in bug no 53700 and 53705 for Marathi besides more left to right indic languages namely Hindi,Ahirani,Konkni,Bangla, etc this problem seems to exist across the languages.
This is just to keep you informed rgdsMahitgar (talk) 08:46, 16 September 2013 (UTC)
- Thank you, @Mahitgar:. Let me talk you, @Siddhartha Ghai:, and @Karthikndr: through a bit of progress I made during my week in the office in connecting you and WMF Tech better: I would be grateful, if you continue to test things out and file bugs directly in bugzilla while keeping me in the loop here. I note stuff you feel is important both in my weekly VE reports going to their team and in a newly set up biweekly call with Runa of ULS. Both teams, VE and ULS, are working together to get on top of this but it seems to take quite some time to solve the problem and especially VE has other big issues to fix as well (it is still blacklisted for Internet Explorer for a start). Thanks and best regards, --Jan (WMF) (talk) 11:19, 17 September 2013 (UTC)