Talk:List of black metal bands

Crade of Flith isn't a Black Metal band, even the lead singer admits it

• they started out clearly as a black metal band. Their debut album is an obvious display of that. Many ppl (esp black metal fans) tho seem to have blocked that out considering they have cheesed out into some crappy goth band now. Spearhead 09:32, 30 July 2005 (UTC)

It doesn't matter, the point is that many people dispute it. Not saying so wouldn't be NPOV.

• it is mentioned on the CoF page... doesn't have to be put here as well

It doesn't matter, the point is that many people dispute it. Not saying so wouldn't be NPOV.

I don't see how Cradle Of Filth is to be considered Black Metal when it's only their debut album that is possibly included in the genre and everything else is very obviously gothic. If a band puts out a rock album and then changes and makes their next 5 albums country, are they still to be labelled a 'rock' band? I think not. Ilyon 08:41, 6 December 2005 (UTC)

CoF might not be black metal (though its the best place I fnd for them) they are not gothic metal. Maybe symphonic metal, but definitely not gothic. marnues 18:49, 10 April 2006 (UTC)

They are closer to Black Metal then any other Genre, that is why they will be left here. ~ The Haunted Angel

Mercyful Fate = Black Metal?

I don't think Mercyful Fate should be mentioned here, although they were no doubt an extream influence on Black Metal, they muscilly have almost nothing in common with bands like Mayham or Darkthrone, Besides, they are already listed on the main BM page as an influnce

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Well, back before there was a Mayhem or Darkthrone, Black Metal was not a genre but a term used for anti-Christian bands. Mercyful Fate's first two records were not only highly anti-Christian, but the first released album of a musician wearing corpse paint ( King Diamond of corpse ). If Celtic Frost and Venom are up there ( who also have nothing in common musically with Black Metal as it is known now either ), so should Mercyful Fate. Either add Mercyful Fate back, or take out Celtic Frost and Venom, in my opinion.

Anyone notice a pattern?

Look under the 'V' section, lol.

Mercyful Fate should stay up

How anyone can take off Mercyful Fate from this list while ignoring the 50 broken links of bands that are probobly garage or don't exist is beyond me.

Only up until Black Metal had a defined sound in the 90's, Mercyful Fate was called Black Metal. There is no arguing that, it is known throughout the metal community. Back in the 80's there was no definition of Black Metal, Mercyful Fate, Venom, Celtic Frost made up the first wave of Black Metal and you can't ignore history. Just because Mercyful Fate has nothing in common with what Black Metal is today musically, does not mean they didn't when Black Metal WAS Mercyful Fate, Venom and Celtic Frost. And besides that, everything besides the music - Mercyful Fate in the early 80's were black metal. The imagery, King's corpse paint and garments, the anti-christianity, the screeching abnormal demonic vocals ( Though in a different tone ), the muddy raw production, hailing from an obscured country, and every single song either hailing Satan, about the occult, and blaspheming Christianity except for 1 out of 22 songs. Black metal is more about the music, friends.